0 point setting?

Greetings,

I know that I am counting peanuts here but during the prodcutive time from mid March till Mid October, my battery gets fully charged and has enough power to get me through the night. My total Grid consumption is around 0,7 kWh per day.
I see that the consumption/injection is wobbling around zero when the power comes from the battery and this control behaviour causes the minimal grid consumption. As soon as the PV produces some 100 Watts, of course there is only injection.

Is it possible to just shift/set the zero point to lets say minus50 Watt instead to zero and then wobble around -50 instead around zero and avoid grid consumption completely? My goal here is zero consumption for more thanb half of the year.

18 kW peak Solis S6, 15 kWh Battery, Home Assistant obviously.

Thx!

I have a similar arrangement, and in one sunny month last year my lowest import ever was 12 kWh for the entire month. Normally I expect around 0.5 kWh per day or 15 kWh each month in the summer at best.

There is always a small +/- 10 Watt balancing noise when the solar PV and the load are stable. Since the inverter is attempting to balance to zero grid current, this could, in theory, be shifted to balance at grid export 10 to 20 Watt. Whilst there is a Backflow Power setting, used to limit export to the grid, I am not aware of a setting for the zero balancing point. So no I don't think we can.

Solis inverters, apparently, have a 5 second balancing response period. Any tighter than this and oscillation could occur - there is always a degree of response dampening in any feedback-loop control system. For the most part, excessive import is caused when either a large load is switched on, or when a large Solar PV generation is abruptly curtailed by cloud.

When, for example, switching a 3 kW oven or washing machine, the additional 3 kW has to come from somewhere. Rapidly turning this on is not possible without drawing (at least temporarily) from the grid, but can be mitigated. First is to have a good power meter with calibrated CT clamps, and a good connection to the inverter. Second, in the case of hybrid inverters, is to have a battery that is responsive and has large capacity. I have a pylontech with 5 kW output to match my 5 kW inverter, so with a background load of 500 W, and solar PV of 2500 W, the battery is charging at 2 kW. Turning on a 3 kW load means changing this from 2 kW charge to 1 kW discharge, all in less than 5 seconds.

Here is a snapshot of my grid power [against solar, battery and load power] from yesterday around solar noon. Grid import is highlighted in purple, positive values.

My inverter monitoring, using Modbus, is only every 15 seconds, so there is always a degree of 'averaging' and false delay taking place in these readings. Clearly, when the solar PV is stable, and the load is stable, there is little grid import/export fluctuation.

Where the solar PV changes dramatically (cloud), and also where the load changes, there occurs a period of imbalance, where grid import / export occurs. Most of the grid-import seems to occur, as expected, following points where there is a rapid fall in solar PV or an increase in load. Certainly my experience is that consistently sunny days (with little cloud) have the lowest grid-import, and days with strong sun and patchy cloud cause most of the resultant import.

You will see, from the Grid Import Energy (Reimann Sum) that the small changes make very little difference to the energy imported, and that it is the large changes that result in the significant increases in the energy figures.

No, AFAIK you can't shift the balancing point, but more importantly, it would not make that much difference unless you moved the balancing point by several hundred Watts. To eliminate all import I would have to be exporting around 800-1000 Watts, which is just not possible over an extended period of time.

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Thank you for the extensive explanation. I was aware of most of that but in my case, more than half of the import (around 0,4 kW) happens during night, where no solar power is prersent and the power drawn from the net is quite constant.

I will contact Solis support and ask if it's possible to shift the zero point, even when I think that they will be not of much help.

Looking more closely and checking my supplier meter reports, when my house load is fully supported from battery discharge during the night, I do have a grid-bias averaging around 20 Watts constant import. I believe that this is standard for all inverters, to draw slightly from the grid. This is required so that the inverter can detect grid failure, synchronise with the grid frequency, help with avoiding accidental export, and may also be part of the self-use power hybrid inverters draws during the night.

I will be interested to learn if you discover that it is possible to adjust the grid-bias in any way, but I suspect it is not.

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Interesting. but how would the inverter detect a grid failure along that principle during the day, when the PV is injecting and the load on the meter is permanently negative? I think, there it would sense that the production is NOT injected and only a (small) part is used in the house.
What would be the benefit of the inverter knowing, that there is no grid if it fails at night? It anyway should provide 100% from the battery when there is no sun and only consume grid power when the battery is either empty or insufficient.
Self use sounds a bit more plausible but I also don't know, why that could not be powered from the battery and syynchronisation is my favourite cause, whereass I also do not undertsand how that would work during full injection times.
As you said, I think it should be quite easy possible to implement a regulation point shift in the software but there might be technical issues that prevent this.

Request to Solis support was sent. I will report if they answer.

Correct, which is why this cannot be avoided.

I am still not convinced that this is not possible.

Do you know why there is no injection during the day when the PV is producing? Is there technically a difference between power coming through PV during the day and from the battery at night?

I have positive news for now, long term tests still to run.

As you can see in below screenshot, the daily consumption went down Friday around 10:15 AM from around 0,6 kWh per day to 0,04 kWh per day.
This is a huge improvement in my case for the total energy consumption per year and confirms my theory, that the zero point, if we can call it like that can basicaly be anywhere. The Solis support changed somethjing on my inverter via remote access. I do not know what but I try to figure out if this is a tweak in the firmware or just some changed settings.
I am very happy with this result. Still to be seen if the behaviour changes on shorter days, when the battery doesn't charge fully anymore during the day.