Any owners of LEDvance *Presence* detector?

https://www.ledvance.com/professional/products/electronics-and-modules/light-management-systems/vivares-zigbee-the-wireless-iot-light-management-systems/zigbee-30-presence-sensor--ceiling-integration-c8059

Motion detection is hopeless for presence detection, and does not fulfill the role of detecting presence. When someone stops moving, lights go out. But this is an actual presence detector. Have not seen many on the market. Aqara sell one only via e2e, which could be this.

Any owners out there?

That’s just a ceiling mount 240V powered PIR. Exactly the same as motion detection. Keep still and it wont detect you. You have to cross detector zones on the passive IR sensor.

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Ah, thank you.

The product sheet says VIVARES ZB O SENSOR, and lists it as a presence sensor. while the manual lacks the O.

Are there any actual presence detectors on the market which detect… presence?