Direct binding and decoupled mode switches

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Hey! I’m going a little bonkers trying to figure out which switches to use.

My idea is to use a 230V switch without a neutral wire, just so everything still works even if something happens to my Home Assistant setup. Then I want to set up direct binding between the switch and a smart bulb, and run the switch in decoupled mode.

What I can’t wrap my head around is whether there are any switches that actually support both of these functions — direct binding and decoupled mode.

My setup is a Sonoff Zigbee dongle, zigbee2mqtt with Home Assistant OS on a raspberry pi.

Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated!

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What type of connection are we talking about? Wifi does not support direct binding - at least not universally. Some brands may have proprietary support.

Zigbee does, but in my experience it is a hit or miss because of lacking support or incompatibilities. Plus in ZHA it is a pain to set up.

Z-wave always works like a charm with direct binding and I have yet to see a device that does not support it, probably due to the chips all coming from the same source as it is licensed technology. Thet is where the high prices come from.

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Dooh. I forgot to say what I run in my system. I edited that in now in my post.
My setup is a Sonoff Zigbee dongle, zigbee2mqtt with Home Assistant OS on a raspberry pi.

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I’ve come to understand thats its a little bit hit or miss with zigbee switches. Which is sad of course and maybe I just end up risking that my setup never actually gives up. Tho I would love to find a switch that works, which some seem to have found.

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It is of course both the switch and the light that need to work together. At lease Z2M is a step in the right direction because I understand that makes the process of binding a lot easier than ZHA.

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Of course, but its a difference between binding them through Z2M or direct binding. I want to do a direct binding switch-bulb and then run the automations etc through HA - its a case of redudancy if my HA fails, in which case I will have a very angry girlfriend.

Sounds good if its easier with Z2M.

You havn’t got any recommendations for a switch yourself?

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No sorry. I gave up on binding with Zigbee because I had no places that were crucial. Most of my stuff needing it is z-wave.

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You can install custom firmware on tuya switch/relay and enable those features

Here’s a list of the devices compatible

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Have you used Z-wave direct association with any Z-wave smart bulb, by any chance?

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Not smart bulbs personally, I only use smart dimmers and dumb bulbs. But technically that is the same. It is just that the dimmer is not in the bulb. Mostly Heat-it buttons with Fibaro smart dimmers. 13 dimmers, 7 single switches and 2 double switches. All directly linked to about 20 smart remotes. And of course the remotes have scenes too, but those run through HA. I usually use double switches. One directly bound to the light and the other for scenes. That way I can always control the lights, even if HA is down.

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