How to add Hue lights in bluetooth mode (Hue Ble integration)

Continuing the discussion from Is there no basic bluetooth support for hue lights?:

havent been able to get an answer to this new feature.
So, even though I get discovered lights in the integration panel, it is completely unclear to me how I can include them.

The instructions in the documentation are not correct,

at least with the current Hue app. There simply is no such thing as a ‘voice-assistants’ setting an hence ‘putting them in pairing mode’, is not available either.

All we have is ‘Smart home’ and when clicking the + there we are redirected to go to the Google Home app, which is definitely no what I want.
Yet another link with google, only to set up local Bt connection.

so if anyone could explain the correct MO, I’d appreciate a lot

(the factory reset is something I want to prevent, as the light has already been included via the Hue app and thus via the regular Hue integration)

seems a scenario not considered while developing this new Philips Hue Ble integration

No sure how, but I’ve seen my hue lights popping up under newly discovered devices in HA.

My guess is that this happened when I stopped my Zigbee2Mqtt service (had to switch it off for a while to do some maintenance).

So my guess is, just switch off your regular Hue integration for a while.
Once the device detects it is ‘offline’, it should fall back to Bluetooth and be discoverable in HA :thinking:

Oh…and just my 2 cents; drop the hue hub and use a proper Zigbee2Mqtt or ZHA dongle, so you have full local control.
It will also allow you to use not only hue devices, but any zigbee device regardless of its brand :wink:

Ive just been able to integrate a brand new light, so can at least confirm that works as expected.

hmm, seems hardly a useful MO… sorry, the docs just aren’t correct, so should be improved to explain what one is supposed to do.

yeah people keep posting that. I am not interested in that, even though I have a top USB dongle.
And did integrate a few lights on that, just for testing purposes.

Hue App is just so much richer in options, I cant see I’ll ever drop that.
Besides, Hue has never bricked or stopped responding, and unfortunately HA hasn’t reached that status yet :wink:

So we just plain and simple need that proprietary Hue solution, if only for fallback purposes.

And, the Hue integration is great, and super simple to configure.

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I have to disagree on that one…what do think the app can that HA couldn’t do?
It is that I have the app for the initial setup, but after that it is useless to me…

Anyway, you should be able to use the Phillips hub…(which should also allow both to run side by side).

yeah, but my ask here is: how to integrate those BT discoveries.

we cant follow instructions, because they are incorrect. At least not conform the Hue iOS app

Again…just try to switch off you hub for a while…
Then it should appear on the device tab.

(provided you have a bluetooth interface available. or at least a BLE proxy)

sorry, but if that would be the way to go, that is just plain silly.

Sure I have a quality BT dongle, and many proxies, that all is taken care of.

I understand why you would say that, and why it might work, but I am just not accepting that as a viable way of integrating our devices.

Hmm…

I don’t think what you want is even possible…you’ll have to go through your hub.

Once Hue lights are connected to ZigBee, the bluetooth is turned off…so you either use zigbee OR bluetooth…

:thinking:

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Yeah could be. Otoh, several lights that are already on the hue bridge are discovered as BT now by the new integration.

So, still sending BT apparently

Website clearly states ‘or’

Anything “smart” needs to be able to receive instructions. Hue smart lights use Zigbee or Bluetooth to communicate, depending on whether you have a Bridge.

well no that is not correct or at least it was until some time ago.
There has been a n official Philips Hue BT app. With that we could do what we now are looking for: add those lights that support BT to the BT app. Even when they had already been included in the regular app, Ive hade quite a few bulbs that way, so know from practice it should be doable.

also, the text you show can also be read in another way, depending on the Pov one takes…

it does not explicitly state those 2 methods exclude each other mutually. It really says if you dont have a Bridge, you can always use the BT connection. You can still always add the Bridge later…

but that is all less relevant, and I wish the dev that developed this integration could shed some light on the documenation that is clearly wanting, besides being incorrect

haha of course you’d have to try that yourself, and you’ll soon discover that :wink:

I added a Lightstrip Plus recently and it popped up as ble in HA as did another Hue device although I’m struggling to remember what that was. I’m ignoring both since they are added via ZHA.

Not going to buy an expensive bridge for something that I can probably already do…
I’m also staying away from online cloud things I do not have control over…I prefer local only.

And if there would be something I miss, well I can just re-write the zigbee firmware to suit my own specs :wink:

Nah…just has a look at the demo mode…and what i figured…app is very limited :rofl:

Yeah, exactly what I meant…I also ignored as there is no added value

look I knew when I started this topic, people would come to show their appreciation for Zigbee.
That’s not what I am after, so please dont add new posts regarding that ok?

I have that, know what it can do. all good.
but not the topic of this thread

I ignored them too.

I highly doubt the device offers both zigbee (Hue Hub/rando stick) and BLE at the same time. That’s twice the load on device.

my question was:
how to get the lights into BT discovery mode via the mentioned Hue app. thats all I need to know.
Dev said I dont need the Google Home app, but other than that, there are no options in the App.

And ‘Voice Assistants’ are not in the App settings. so docs are not correct

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I never set any of that up and my devices with bluetooth were discovered.

as are mine in HA, but not available via the app to setup, and that is a prerequisite for the integrations to find them/connect to them.
That part of the documentation Is correct :wink:

Factory new lights are ok, as I mentioned earlier,
But that is not what this was about. the discoveries in Ha are from already Bridge connected lights (and already set up via the regular integration), but now for their BT connection

see:

while already being connected via the App/Integration

the difference in naming is because of the App, and address is also different, because different connection (at least that would be my best guess)

Well the directions clearly say “once the light is in paring mode”. So that’s likely what needs to happen for it to work.

Yes, step 1 is misleading. You can always adjust the documentation to remove that.