HUE HUB to Zigbee stick issue

Hi,

I really hope I’m asking this question in the right place. I’ve been searching for a solution for a while but I can not find the right answer.

I have both a HUE hub and a Conbee II zigbee stick. I’ve used them apart from each other for a while but as I was adding sensors to the stick I noticed I didn’t reach in the whole house.

I then decided that maybe I could skip the hub and get all my lights on the zigbee stick making my network way stronger and reaching the whole house. It seemed a good idea and I slowly started migrating. In the beginning it went really great.

But now I added 10 extra HUE lights in 1 room. I made a couple scenes with the right colors and settings. When I activate those scenes not all the lights respond. Most of the lights do what I expected but there seem to be a couple lights that fall behind and not respond. Not always, and not always the same lights.

Restarting HA seems to have an effect, but only temporary and even then I’m not 100% convinced that is the solution?

So what now?

  • Go back to the HUE hub and be done with it? That way I do get software updates for the lights too.

  • Fix the problem somehow? And keep migrating from the hub to HA?

Thanks in advance!

ZHA can perform OTA upgrades firmware on devices but only fully automatically for a couple of brands:

https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/zha#ota-firmware-updates

You can also manually download and add additional device OTA firmware images from sources like ex:

https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee-OTA/tree/master/images

Anyway, guess you already know that battery-operated Zigbee devices like wireless sensors and remotes are not acting a Zigbee routers, but you should also know that as some brands or models of mains-powered Zigbee lightbulbs models are not either acting as Zigbee routers or act as poor routers as they either has poor reception, do not route all messages or are not permanently powered by mains-power there is no guarantee that they will always be online to route (repeat) messages within the Zigbee network. Better therefor to use other types of always-on mains-powered devices as Zigbee router devices, and best is to use dedicated Zigbee router devices that serve no other purpose.

Suggest adding a few dedicated permanently always-on mains-powered Zigbee Router devices, (personally I recommend just buying a few IKEA Trådfri Signal Repeater devices to get a stable network mesh core), but please also read these other tips too:

https://github.com/home-assistant/home-assistant.io/pull/18864

https://github.com/home-assistant/home-assistant.io/pull/18864/commits/b21c49589d898d60a1a235afa7b9c148d013cfee

https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/zha#best-practices-for-avoiding-pairing-difficulties

https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/zha#using-router-devices

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I appreciate your answer! Thank you very much for taking your time and getting it all together for me! I’ve done some reading on it and will be able to fix these issues. I think I’ll keep going the lose-the-hub-route.

Most of my lights are HUE, the updating process seems a lot of work. But then again, how important are those updates if the lights works fine.

I’ve been trying out some different things but I don’t think it can be an issue of “not enough” routers anymore. Right now in the same room I have 10 HUE Bulbs (LCG002) and 2 smart plugs too (SP120 by innr).

  • So I’m thinking now, maybe I have to many routers? Or is the mesh not configured properly, I did not really pay attention to the order of adding the devices…

    . A lot of red lines here…

  • Or maybe I have to many bulbs, making it so that the signal does not get through? When I set a scene they all individually get a “setting” that they should follow… maybe that’s just too much?
    I’ve been looking into grouping them in HA but then there’s this issue

  • Or are the lights itself are blocking the signal? Well I mean the metal tube around it… :expressionless:

Do you have some strange (less known or “maybe not following standards”). I actually have the same issue on 3 x 120va dimmers. They need to work with old type transformers, hence a special type. They are most certainly not following standards and behave the same as you mention, the scenes are not always set fully.

As I need this special devices, I solved it by gaming it. I set the scene 3 times with 500ms delay.

The reason I mention is that some of my other lights started to behave this way when I implementing the 120va devices. I solved this by setting 2 hue plugs very close to the 120va devices. I think the routs now avoid the odd devices.

Just a idea.

Also read in other threads that tuya zigbee plugs might give problems.

Not really, at least I don’t think so.

  • 61 devices
  • innr, Aqara, HUE, … nothing special

Good tip with setting the delay! I’ll use that as my last resort.

So, I’ve grouped all my lights in that room together… Now they all work straight away, no delay, no lights who are left behind,… works very smooth. Without changing anything to my mesh or network. So all lights do have a proper connection… right?

Good it works. The group, is that a Zigbee group,or in HA. I have tried the zigbee group with no real luck in my setup, however might give it a try again.

It works but I’m not happy with the result so far. I wanted to set my lights individually and not in group. But for a temporary solution it’s all good!

It’s a zigbee group and the workaround for this issue is that I’ve only made 1 group.