If device is removed what happens to it's automation(s)?

[zBernie (Bernie)]

If I have a device and an automation that is using that device as a trigger, then the device is factory reset and no longer exists in HA. What of happens to the automation? Could I reuse it with another devices?

I currently have about 100 devices imported into HA using the Hubitat Integration. I’m in the process of duplicating Hubitat automations for these devices. At some point I will be ready to buy Zigbee and Z-Wave controllers, and delete these devices and add them to HA directly. I’m concerned about the automations referencing these devices.

-Thanks

[LiQuid_cOOled]

@zBernie

If I have a device and an automation that is using that device as a trigger, then the device is factory reset and no longer exists in HA. What of happens to the automation? Could I reuse it with another devices?

Yes, but you’ll have to go into the Automations and redefine the new device and trigger field for each Automation.

[tom_l]

It depends. Did you use entity ids or did you use device ids in your automation?

If you used entity ids it will be a simple matter to update these.

If you used device ids…

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[zBernie (Bernie)]

Great! I just wanted to confirm that it was “reusable” in this situation.

[tom_l]

@LiQuid_cOOled

you’ll have to go into the Automations and redefine the new device and trigger

So they’ve solved the issue of device automations disappearing when the devices are removed?

[zBernie (Bernie)]

Yes, I learned early on to use entities. But I was not thinking ahead to removing the Hubitat provided devices and adding the actual device.

[LiQuid_cOOled]

Maybe I’m wrong, but my haven’t automations haven’t disappeared. They just throw Automation errors.

[tom_l]

Yeah but are you using devices or entities?

[tom_l]

@zBernie

Yes, I learned early on to use entities.

Nice. It should be a simple matter to update your automations to use the new entities then.

[zBernie (Bernie)]

Sigh of relief.

I have about 40 Hubitat automations I’m replicating in HA, about 1/3 of the way through. Having fun doing it!

-Thanks

[LiQuid_cOOled]

I use entities

[tom_l]

The issue only happens (happened?) with device automations. Lose the device and your automation is (was) just gone. May have been fixed. Not sure.

[LiQuid_cOOled]

Red was an entity trigger
Green was a Device trigger

[LiQuid_cOOled]

If a Device was used, then deleted, an Automation is Disabled message appears even if the new Device is available in HA.

I have found restarting HA clears that error and the Automation is good to go.