I’ve a number of MYGGBETT sensors in my house, there is one location where I’ve a sensor which loses the connection with Home Assistant. I’ve swapped two sensors and the problem doesn’t move, it stays at the same location, the new placed sensor also loses connection.
And what is strange, 40 cm to the right there is another same type sensor which is NOT losing the connection to HA. Really strange.
I’ve found that Matter devices via Thread are very RF sensitive, even with a ZBT-2. Line of sight or close to the receiver seems fine, but put something in an area where it’s neither of those and it will lose connection. Things where a ZigBee device work without issue will see Matter devices not even being viable - especially those devices that identify as sleepy.
If you’re using a rechargeable battery, get a good primary cell and try that. Beyond that, IMHO, Matter/Thread seems to be a poor radiocomm system when you’re using batteries.
Is Thread not also a Mesh network? I would expect that the stable device 40 cm to the right is able to support this losing connection device? But having said this, the 40 cm to the right device is also battery powered, not good of the Mesh networking I guess.
Would a normal powered device be a good improvement to build a stable Mesh Tread network? And if so, what would be a good, simple, cheap powered device to build a Tread repeated Mesh network? Suggesions?
Thread is a mesh network and typically wired-in devices will extend the mesh.
When you look at the Matter App(add on) and enable beta features under settings, it offers a Thread Network Map on its web page. It will give you a visual diagram with metrics for the quality of the links with you click on the participants
Eve Engergy outlets are known to be great Thread mesh routers for repeating Thread signals in your house. I bought one. I took a “before” of the diagram. I then put the outlet on a short power pigtail cord and plugged the outlet into various places it could go, and took pictures of the mesh in those locations.
For fun, and practicality, I fed all of the images of the diagrams in to Claude and asked it to rate the locations, best to worse, and why. It gave me an answer. I reviewed the data points and reasoning, and I installed the outlet there.
The reality is I don’t need outlets/automation there for functional reasons, but I now have a solid mesh across my house and no one can choose to unplug or otherwise unintentionally interfere with my house’s mesh
Thanks for the explanation. That Thread mesh network map is a good tip. Ive something similar for Z-Wave and Zigbee and was looking for it for Thread but couldn’t find it.
I’ve ordered the Eve Enegery outlet and let see if that will improve the connectivity, will get back to this post once installed and I’ve some results.
This sounds great to me in theory, but in practice I have a number of constant power devices scattered around the house. The device in question STILL will lose connectivity, as will the buttons.
Keep in mind that these devices are closer to the base station and/or repeaters than any other protocol device in my setup, and Matter over Thread is the only thing that has issues.
If this is so fragile that taking a device 5 feet away from a repeater and not having it work is the norm, then it needs more work.
Agreed, having a powered matter device will not solve all the connectivity problems but it could improve the situation. Ikea has communicated that they have connectivity issues which they claim they are working on. We need to wait for the new firmware.
Just received the new powered Eve energy outlet, installed it and another device out of range of the base station has made a connection now. The door sensor device with the connection problem is, after a battery power cycle, still connected directly to the main thread router. Will monitor what will happen over time and see if that sensor makes a connection to the Eve device as it sits 60 cm away, much closer than the main Thread router device. Will keep you posted.
I have many Myggbett devices, all have been rock solid so far, except today, one randomly decided to loose connection. No idea why, and needed the batteries to be pulled to reconnect it. I’ve also had problems with the timmerflottes, dropping off, and so far, I’m not massively impressed.
I hope firmware isn’t coming “real soon now.” Ikea does seem to be at least aware of issues with their devices and communicates with users about them, so … who knows.
One of the phrases I heard in my career was: “The camel is a horse that was designed by a committee”. I mention that because Thread, IMO, is extremely complex for its provided functions. To expect all big vendors to work seamlessly, transparently and in a coordinated fashion across that complexity is dreamy, at best. It’s going to take a long time for it to prove out.
The best I can do is move slow and evaluate vendors that prove to be big vendor/ecosystem (Apple, Google, Amazon, etc) agnostic in their products. IKEA and Eve have proven that to me so far. I also like Inovelli, but they don’t have an ecosystem, they are creating native Thread products.
Can you explain the green, yellow, and dotted lines? Green is perfect, I imagine, yellow is average or not good at all. Are there any red versions? And what do the dotted lines mean?
