Introducing the Works with Home Assistant program

Does this have something to do with Matter?

Not rules for keeping the badge. But a community feedback on the Works with Home Assistant validity, The manufacturer can monitor the feedback or ignore it. There would be no obligation to correct low ratings or respond to the ratings.

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That’s kinda how Amazon does it with Alexa certifications. It might be interesting to look at the Works with Alexa program as a reference point.

Basically it’s the same idea, but with much more stringent requirements to get and keep the badge. You need to submit a product or app for independent lab testing (and they charge you for this) and your product / app is under constant auditing, including using customer ratings. You can lose the badge if your product messes up or the customer ratings go down.

Here are some interesting quotes from their FAQ:

How It Works

To qualify for the program, your product must satisfy the eligibility and product requirements in the Works with Alexa Program Guidelines. Once you have thoroughly tested your product, you can register and submit you product for certification in the Works with Alexa console. If your product is certified, you can use the Works with Alexa badge in accordance with the trademark usage guidelines.

How does this program help ensure quality?

Your products will be comprehensively tested by a lab, which helps ensure that they meet a high-quality bar. Additionally, we conduct a continual audit of product star ratings, customer feedback, service latency and device cloud up-time. Your products may be disqualified from the program if they do not meet our criteria.

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I really like this and I am looking forward to seeing this! Commenting here mostly to voice out what I suspect is a “silent majority” [that is actually happy or indifferent], and that the haters, trolls, or simply bad epistemic agents who see bad will in every move (like “OMG NOW HA IS BECOMING A MONOPOLY BASTARDS”) are not the only users :grin:

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This is why there has to be a user-based (us) feedback loop for the badges to be believable.

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You don’t really get how open source works then. Because home assistant is open source, and because many people have worked on it, it can never go closed source unless every developer that has any piece of code in home assistant agrees to it (which will never happen).

And about the selling out to put their logo on a box part, I’m pretty sure ha/ nabu casa are not the ones paying for the badge on the box, but rather the manufacturer by investing development time into home assistant.

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Works with Aqara is in the works?

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Isn’t it the other way around? Aqara works with Home Assistant.

I just installed a power monitoring device to see how much power my EV charging was taking. There’s already three “works with” badges on the box.

Yeah whoops aqara works with home assistant*

No product manufacturer is going to “buy” the badge. Nabu Casa isn’t going to see a cent of profit from the badge. I don’t know where you get this idea. What the Works with HomeAssistant badge means is that Home Assistant has matured into an ecosystem with a large following. Earning the permission to put the badge on their product is simply a marketing tool for the manufacturer to expose their products to a specific audience. Look at the image in post 89. If you were running SmartThings and wanted a smart plug, wouldn’t the Works with SmartThings badge make you more inclined to buy this product over one that doesn’t have the badge?

If the badge increases the awareness of Home Assistant among the general public, this might cause more Home Assistant Blue and Orange boxes to be sold. That would be a win-win.

Here’s the IFTTT badge program.

I could be wrong and often am, but selling the badge would be a colossal mistake, and as I said before, no product manufacturer would pay for it. The real estate on their package is just too valuable.

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Hubitat is having the same dispute. Not every device is going to play nice with us techies, so id rather have a cloud integration. Take myq. Do i want to integrate it? Yes. Do i mind it is cloud? Yes, but i still use it. No one is forcing you to use it. Go buy a zigbee garage door opener if you dont want cloud stuff. Me, i like to use what i already have.

I am looking forward to seeing how smart locks will work with Matter.

I have come close several times in purchasing the ZWave Schlage locks, but honestly, those locks look a little dated and large for my tastes. And I prefer something more streamlined.

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This seems to be a common response. My father bought a camper motor home and started having problems so he contacted the vendor that sold it to him. His response you have to check with the chassis vendor to which the chassis vendor retorted you have to check with the drive train manufacturer. He ended up selling the unit as junk and moved on. Answers like these just make those that want to use the software and hardware furious at the arrogance and move on. This will keep the software in geekdom forever. TTFN

This is a bad analogy and insulting. Did your dad self-assemble the camper home, or renovate the interior? Poor service for something you’ve paid for is unacceptable, agreed, but in the case of HA, you pay for reaching your HA instance over the Internet and you indirectly fund the development of HA (EDIT: if you do it via Nabu Casa, of course). You don’t pay for the software, but it is licensed to you under very clear terms. Frenck explained it well (read: I agree with him). Anyway, this is off topic, as said before.

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only if using Nabu Casa

Or a product with such a “label”

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Found on: https://sonoff.tech/product/diy-smart-switch/pow-elite/

They don’t claim in words “Works with Home Assistant” but only use the Logo (with “wrong” colors?) the Name and the name of a “add-on” to get something done with there product :thinking:

Technically that is a trademark or passing off issue, I don’t know what home assistant/nabu casa’s position is on trademarks.

I expect they are holding the :tm: for the logo and the name. That said enforcing the :tm: is on a completely other level and probably something far away for a project like this.

I expect that (pursuing) will not happen (at it needs money and time which is more useful invested into ha itself) so in the end probably no one needs to fear consequences just sticking such badges on there products/advertisements/sites etc.

For now it looks like there is not even a way (yet?) to distinguish between “valid” and “not valid” badges :thinking:

If Nabu Casa maintain a list of badges that have been issued, then it would be easy to check. See a product on Amazon showing the badge, jump to Nabu Casa, search said company, Not Found. Move on and avoid.

There were some posts in this thread that asked for something like that but by the looks of it nobody “in charge” yet bothered to answer if something like that is planned
 :man_shrugging:

Some posts were captured in the waybackmachine before they got deleted, like this post here which suggested a QR code together with the badge to directly check it’s (still) valid:

anon43302296 July 20, 2022, 12:43pm

I think this thread already pointed out that there is a chance that a badge is printed on a box of a product which isn’t “valid” anymore (because a manufacture doesn’t comply anymore with the terms to continue having the badge). To have something like a QR code beside the badge to directly check if the product is still “valid” (like a link to the database) would be very nice thing.

What I wonder and which isn’t clear for me is how does it work if a product works locally and in the cloud? Like if it has a “limited” local function and all when cloud connected? Is it still entitled for the “works locally” badge then?