please, a good heating thermostat that works locally and is totally offline and free from the cloud (of course compatible with HA).
- NO ZWAVE
- Possible black
- radiator heating
- marketed in Europe
Honeywell T6 zwave
Thanks… I don’t use Zwave and this thermostat is not sold in Italy.
This is information you could have included in the first post. 
Probably better that you come up with the options you find interesting on the Italian marked and ask for feedback on those.
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Use the search for “Italy thermostat”
This has been specifically asked and answered. I just provided must common response as shortcut but if it doesn’t apply search will give answers
Europe is OK… some topics are old and maybe we’ll find something updated with MATTER or something similar. The market changes.
Posts have dates
Add “matter” to search terms
You can add matter to initial post as well if that is most desired. But be aware that matter begins to diverge from local
yes indeed this is the problem…some devices are compatible with MATTER but from what I understand they are not totally local
Let me say that the below more than any other home automation, has raised the WAF (Wife Approval Factor). It’s a hard hill to climb, keeping that up. Most automations in my experience, no matter how sophisticated, are met with “meh”. Only once I got a response “WOW, how did you do that”? (A small table fan on the floor that goes on or off in front of a vent when the AC or Heat is blowing or not blowing, to help in one room.) I did also end up getting automated vents and tying those into HA and the thermostat to automatically open or close depending upon if the heat or AC is blowing, the room is occupied, the temperature in a room, and the vent pressure (it did remove the issue of cold or hot rooms in an old drafty house with poor insulation - but that is another story). However, like a hockey or soccer goalie, when done well notbody says anything but if they let a goal through complaints are heard - any HA things done well usually result in “meh” that inches the WAF up by .0001% while any issue or hiccup lowers it by 30%! (Avoid automating lighting in a bathroom unless it is BULLETPROOF - relays are very sensitive humidity and lights going off while a spouse is in the shower will put you in the doghouse for decades.) Back to the subject at hand:
I used a nest for many years and it was a nightmare. Enelessly moving the thermostat away from anything that can cause an interference issue, setting up a wireless access point right near the thermostat, replacing the thermostat three times with newer models, nothing resolved the issues. We only stuck with the Nest Learning Thermostats because of the physical appearance and the really cool design, to our detriment. Latency bult in no matter what, when the google servers had a hiccup it would go offline, and now they’ve removed support. Also the setup with a $5 google developer account for an asynchronous connection to the thing was a very clever workaround but overly complicated and a silly convoluted mess. I prefer WiFi for everything and have a very strong network. Also I shy away from Apple (but that is somewhat unrelated).
BTW Matter does not have all of the capabilities needed within HA for a thermostat (I cannot remember the details at the time, maybe that has improved, but you should check, there is stuff in the forums about that).
After alot of research the only one I found (but their may be others) that fit the bill (local only for HA connection, WifI, full control as granular as you want to get) was Ecobee. It does not have a native Ecobee integration just for them but it works perfectly as a thermostat with the HomeKit integration. Works very well. The thermostat also supports 5Ghz with newer WiFi technology and the connectivity is very strong. The model I have is the Ecobee Thermostat Enhanced. I got it like $100 off by using my local power utility’s online store
After some time I decided to not just have a 2Ghz SSID for my IOT VLAN but also a separate 5Ghz SSID that is on the same IOT VLAN for newer IOT devices that support it. This did resolve issues with older devices with weak or poorly implemented WiFi hardware and firmware built in that get confused if both 2Ghz and 5Ghz is present. Maybe this is even more overkill but after years of thermostat hassles I set up the ecobee also with it’s own SSID that is 5ghz, on the same IOT VLAN. It’s been rock solid, working with our phones even if the internet is down on our wifi. Unrelated, but you will also want to install the ecobee app on your phone and set up an ecobee online account so you can use the ecobee app itself (whether home or not). Also this allows them to collect statistics shown in the ecxobee app and they can email you monthly with home how much $ you might have saved, etc. Since I can acess HA locally or over the internet I usually just use the HA app to control it, whether I am home or not.
I also have intergrations that tweak the climate at home for instance (1. every time the mode (heat, cool etc. is changed I store that - but not if “OFF”)) and 2. if the last person leaves the home (if the home is not set to what I call a “guest mode” I set up) then the HVAC is completely turned OFF and when the first of us arrives home it is turned back on, to the last mode (which I store in tautomation #1). It is a little involved to make the person home or not home functionality work perfectly with both Android and Apple phones - and it can be done to be bulletproof (but only with a combination of WiFi connectivity, BLE and also GPS which I use but that is an unrelated story.) I also have other HVAC override type automations so HA can work seamlessly with the ecobee scheduling. The Nest scheduling was great and very flexiblke, every hour of the day you could set it the temp within the Nest phone app, but with ecobee it’s a strange duck, it takes a little while to get used to the way they have the scheduling set up. Once you have your head wrapped around that however, then you can set the automations you need in HA to work in tandem with same.
Hope that helps -
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@tmjpugh Be nice 
I know its been asked a thousand times, new posts do get attention… a post from 2010 is not super usefull anymore.
Did I see a similar topic last week ? Sure did.
I wish like many others there was a good opensource WAF approved wifi/zigbee thermostat that has heating/cooling 0.1 hysteresis works with heatpump etc. etc.
Its just not there.
No snark was intended.
Even added an extra “beware matter” tidbit 
Well… I don’t think there’s a topic that hasn’t been covered before, so any questions would be irrelevant because there’s a “search” button.
Perhaps framing the question correctly would have been better… and making it more of a discussion than a request for help.
Like: why do manufacturers tend to keep their thermostats connected to the cloud and no one seems to be local?
I used the “search” button, but among a thousand questions and answers, I couldn’t find anything for me or the post was 3 or 4 years old…
Anything good in life can be searched for with the “search” button or with ChatGPT… there is no longer the pleasure of communication and asking questions: “there is a search button”.
everyone with their heads down searching in the search button.
I am using EVE Thermo Gen5. Doesn’t require any manufacturer registration, is not talking to the cloud and can easily be commissioned with HA/Companion App.
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