Well I mean it’s true. They just worked correctly, the aqara did not. But yeah I guess network spam could become a problem at some point if you don’t patch them
BTW I opened my Aqara FP1E to find out which sensor chip it uses. The sensor chip itself was impossible to identify as there’s no info on it. But googling some of the other chips that did have info on them, I ended up here: Aqara FP1 Human Presence Sensor Review - SmartHomeScene
Where they state that it has an “Infineon XENSIV BGT60TR13C” sensor. So that’s definitely a very different chip than for example the Wenzhi’s use.
And then googling that chip, I found this link: Aqara FP2 Human Presence Sensor Review - SmartHomeScene Where they state that the FP2 uses the “Texas instruments IWR6843” sensor.
I didn’t even know there were that many companies releasing those sensor chips, very interesting to see that!
That’s quite an interesting website BTW as they review sensors and always seem to open them up to find out what’s inside. For example I’ve read quite a few positive reviews about the Apollo MSR2 and they state it has a LD2410B inside which of course has the S3KM111L.
In fact people always seem to rave about the sensors based on that S3KM111L chip: Apollo MSR2 is popular, the people who use the LD2410B alone are also raving and people seem to like the Wenzhi sensors, which also have that sensor chip (although the disadvantage of course is that spamming)
The Aqara FP2 finding does renew my interest in it BTW, that TI chip seems quite nice. Last time I tried it I was mainly disappointed by the stuck ghosting. Not sure if they resolved that? I might look into that again.
Edit
Like I said I tinkered today a while with the fp1e and fp2 and came to the same conclusion as before: I like the fp1e better than the fp2 but the wenzhi beats them both (if the spam is no deal breaker)
Sorry for my late reply, but isn’t that device sensing rather than human sensing? So whilst you may wear a smartwatch with BT, others may not?
Indeed, it is a different technology, with (slightly) different applications (but some commonality, as well).
Yes, this is one of the main problems with it.
OTOH, you can do cool things like having the HA app on your phone open automatically to the relevant controls for the room you are in.
But all of this is a bit off topic for this thread. I suppose I was just trying to express that I’ve kind of lost interest in continuing to test these mmWave sensors, especially Zigbee based ones.
My current focus is on DIY ESP32 devices (via ESPHome) because they are inexpensive and very flexible (giving you exactly what you need for that location, depending on what sensors you include). You can create quite nice multi-sensors, with mmWave, light level, and other (Bermuda presence and general BLE monitoring), all for just a few dollars. And they are totally configurable on the ESP32 node (update frequency, etc.), and updatable OTA (after initial flashing). Currently I’m finding the combination of all those attributes quite hard to beat.
I guess if there is a downside, it would be the learning curve. ESPHome does make it very easy, but you do need to be at least a bit technically inclined. Well worth the time investment though, IMO, considering all you get in return.
Everyone else is free to continue discussing mmWave sensors, of course. 
For the kind of (bare) sensors I’m using now (with ESPHome), much has already been written, so I won’t get into those here, either.
Perhaps of note to this topic, Athom has released the esp32-based version of their presence/motion/light sensor, which uses the ld2450 and ships with esphome config that includes the ability to set three custom zone coordinates. Now with the Bluetooth proxy feature, it is more comparable to the Everything Presence One, lacking only the temperature and humidity which if you really need you can get separately for only a few dollars more.
FWIW, The Athom seem to me like the most bang for the buck in the “commercial devices made using ESPHome” segment. Injection molded cases, all accessories included, etc.
But they don’t have big social media presence in the HA scene (YouTube and Reddit) like some of their competitors, so you don’t hear them mentioned as often.
To put it less charitably, I quite frankly find their competitors over-hyped and quite over priced (for what they are).
I like a lot the fact that it’s PoE. I’m building a small countryside home and I designed several extra CAT6 cables on the roof to power sensors without the need to route AC and have power bricks everywhere. The idea was to use PoE ports on the switch feeding PoE splitters with USB-C outputs, but if the sensor has PoE already, this is the best option by far. I watched the YouTube video and it seems very cool.
Has anyone tested this PoE version in real life? How does it perform?
Regards
Tales
Unfortunately that Athom unit is not POE. I’ve got a couple of their earlier units, and was pretty favorably impressed, but I should revisit them, now that config process appears much more streamlined (with GUI tool, instead of a zillion different settings).
BTW, I would highly recommend also looking at a different unit, albeit somewhat higher priced. The Apollo Automation “R Pro-1” has a LOT of capabilities – LD2450 radar & optional LD2412 (for both multi-zone motion & still presence sensing). Temp & humidity sensors; optional CO2 sensor. Has options for desk or in-wall (switchplate) or in-ceiling mounting. And it is definitely POE (or can be powered by USB-C). https://apolloautomation.com/products/r-pro-1
Isn’t there a cheap ESP based mmWAVE sensor that is accurate and works? Is this list updated?
@TRS-80 have you seen this one Everything Presence Pro
There is a YT vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJIamWCBRdE
Thank you for this, this looks amazing! I just ordered one to test out, and if it works well I’m going to get 4 more of them for my other rooms!
Yeah, I’m pretty impressed with its capabilities.
One quick thing to note- While it can be purchased with in-wall or in-ceiling mounts, they do warn that CO2 sensor is unlikely to give good readings with that placement. And I wouldn’t expect light sensor or UV sensor to do well there either. So desk-type enclosure (which is included) is probably best option if using those sensors.
But yeah, nice set of functionality for the price, eh?
Using two of these and they work great. Wish they had a pivot mount but found a way to make them work. Borrowed code from the [GitHub - sensy-one/S1-Pro-Multi-Sense: Welcome to the official GitHub repository for the Sensy-One S1 Pro Multi Sense – a compact, high-performance presence and environmental sensor built for Home Assistant. Here you’ll find detailed specs, setup instructions, and everything you need to get the most out of your S1 Pro Multi Sense.](Sensy S1 Pro) that enabled three zones and their nice zone editor add-on and it made configuring the zones super easy!
assuming that both things happen at the same time in home assistant, wouldnt a state change for for both sensors from unoccupied/no motion to occupied/motion do the same thing instead of modifying for a delay?
I’m using a ceiling device to turn on a towel rail when presence is detected in the shower - so relatively close range only. It’s detected as (from Z2M device):
Zigbee Model: TS0601
_TZE204_clrdrnya
Model MTG235-ZB-RL
(Tuya MTG235-ZB-RL control via MQTT | Zigbee2MQTT)
24G Human presence sensor with relay (Tuya)
(Zigbee2MQTT))
I have noticed in other devices they can have significant sensitivity from the rear.
I am seeing many false detection spikes - but on inspection it seem only during the day.
It’s mounted with its rear side in the attic space. Could it be detecting expansion/contraction of roof tiles? Anyone else seen anything similar?
It's likely just a tuya thing. I have an MTG275-ZB-RL and the sensitivity slider does nothing.
I didn't hang it in a permanent place, just for testing. I have it at 1m high facing the ceiling and it detects when I walk around the room. It detects curtains opening/closing sitting around 3m away. It detects the slight movement when I walk down the stairs (closed stairs, but the radar faces the stairs) and even worse, it seems to detect heat from electric radiators.
It's unfortunate that we can't select exclusion zones or even see XY locations.
I'm going to replace it with the Sensy One E1 Pro, as it has the LD2460 sensor, allows for an exclusion zone and can target 5 people. This tuya sensor could probably be repurposed in the attic, or the bin.
It's worth noting that the SEN0610 within Everything Presence One (EP1) speaks the same protocol as the sensor in the Athom aka Iotorero PS02C3 and the revamped PS01C3 offerings. The DFC4001 mmWave SoC chip is just a rebranded S3KM111L chip (WTF!) with a hefty price mark-up. DFRobot assembles the modules, and OEM versions of them are found in Tuya MTG075-ZB-RL too. You can mix YAML files between the Athom and Everything Presence One, and swap out the various flavors of these modules with only trivial tweaks. The Hi-Link modules based upon the same S3KM111L chip are not compatible because Hi-Link flashes them with different firmware, so you do have to stick with those modules mentioned farther above. Having said this, the Hi-Link modules are really good too, and are much, much less expensive because they don't target hobbyists with premium pricing.
Hi I'm on the same quest! I'd like to find a 24ghz zigbee ceiling mount but seems to flood a lot and the new versions ha no file to patch them. What's your final favorite decision?
@fdrcti I just received a marketing email from Athom (athom.tech), advertising a new product, which I am purchasing. It’s a presence sensor based on BTHome, with 24 GHz mmWave radar sensor, PIR sensor, illuminance sensor, runs on two AA batteries, with supposedly very long battery life (40 uA standby power). For less than $14 each. It doesn’t use Zigbee, Wi-Fi, or such, but requires Bluetooth functionality with your HA system– either built-in BT on the HA server board, or BT dongle, or one or more BT Proxy devices.
I just ordered several of these units. Recent deliveries to me (in the USA) from Athom have been taking about 2 - 2.5 weeks; shipping charges have been under $10. I really like the recent BTHome devices I’ve gotten from Athom (temp/humid sensor, CO2 sensor, & door sensors) – HA recognizes them instantly. (I’ve got a BT Proxy in same room.) I’ve found that the combination of radar + PIR works really well for presence / occupancy sensors. I’ve got really high hopes for these Athom units.