Proxmox is a hypervisor, you use it to run virtual machines or containers. If you are only going to run HA you don’t need it.
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I see that the Beelink does not have Zigbee. It is included in my Yellow Box.
I also have a Zooz 800 Series Zwave dongle which I can move to a new box, but what do you suggest for Zigbee and Matter ?
Good advise. I am ready to buy a mini PC. I have two last questions:
- What do I do for Zigbee/Matter ?
- I need a reminder where/how to install the HAOS on the new box ?
Get a zigbee / thread dongle and move the network from the old.
Unfortunately if yours is on the chip stored on teh yellow and it’s compromised from a hardware perspective that doesn’t help with migration. If the old box doesn’t boot, You may be stuck. Sorry. However if you were using ZHA. I THINK it makes a coordinator backup on boot so it may have saved your bacon there. Someone who is more ZHA saavy will need to answer that.
(unfortunately for you this is the exact reason I LOATHE integrated multi use electronics. IMHO you’re better off with a discrete coordinator dongle than any builtin, if you were using a dongle it would be as simple as unplug and move it to the new machine.)
The rest of the instructions are literally the same ha instructions the other poster posted above.
Look on banggood also. I bought a mini pc there, it has N150 cpu (which is more than enough for HA), 16g or ram and 512G ssd, and it was only 150€ a few months ago. Ha runs like a rocket on it. Currently i use it for test HA.
But for my main HA i have old intel nuc with i7-6770hq cp- (skull canyon). Althoug it’s old it still rocks, since back then it used to be top-end nuc. Comparing with my new N150 it’s still a bit faster (not much, though).
I’ve had proxmox on it for a while, but currently i have bare HAOS. Proxmox crashed on me (im fact i crashed it when (wrong) updating from proxmox 8 to 9…).
Proxmox somehow feels “too complicated” for restore from backups… that’s why i decided to run bare for a while, just to compare. Haos is easy to restore: create haos (with linux boot usb dongle), boot, restore from backup.
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Thanks a ton @NathanCu … Ordering a NUC now!
Yep… My Zigbee uses the Yellow Multi-Pan. If needed I can reset my 16 Zigbee devices, though one of these is at a uncomfortable ceiling location… I may wait till I think this through but I otherwise I am ready to move.
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Multi-Pan has been actively discouraged by the HA devs for at least a couple of years & officially deprecated last year. Do yourself a favour and buy separate Zigbee & Matter coordinators if you intend to use both protocols.
EDIT: Or get one of the SMLight MR models. Two separate radios in 1 device so you can run both protocols separately.
Perhaps a refurbished PC that meets the requirements of HA for much less money. Yes, they are big and some say they are power hogs but empirically, they are not. Typical power requirements are less than 20W. I have been running four of these for 5 years. Only one had a problem (within the warranty period, but I would recommend the 3 year warranty for about $15 more).
Ordered the Beeklink mini pc and a Zigbee controller, but I know that I will have a tough time with the installation of HAOS. The instructions appear complicated, but I will take my time and scrupulously follow step-by-step the instructions.
HAOS Bare Metal.
You can run HAOS Bare Metal on any x86 computer, like the Intel NUC. You can buy a used Intel Nuc i5 for less than the cost of a new Raspberry Pi. And the NUC will outperform the Pi in every metric.
Bare metal means you don’t have the learning curve of virtualization or containers, like ProxMox. Just install the OS on the computer’s boot device then restore from your last backup from the Yellow.
Done, simple.
It doesn;t matter if you are going to install HAOS bare-metal. The OS replaces Windows.
No. The boot device in every NUC I have is an SSD. You just flash the image file for HAOS to the SSD. Done.
NO!, 100% NO!
Just install HAOS bare-metal. Done.
I have several NUC computers here. One for Home Assistant, one for Frigate, one as an NAS. All but my first NUC were bought used from eBay for less than $100. (Yes, the ProxMox cult will insist that I can do everything on one NUC with ProxMox. I prefer the simplicity of separate NUCS. Also, I don’t like a single point of failure).
The Beelink is not a NUC. Intel owns the NUC trademark. But the Beelink is more than sufficient. I have a Beelink computer, but it is my wife’s PC and has Windows 11 on it. (I am jealous because it runs much faster than my Windows desktop PC). I don’t recall what the boot device is in the Beelink. The installation method that flashes Ubuntu to a thumb drive is pretty straightforward.
Thanks for the responses, but now I am confused…
I don’t know anything about NUC. Is the installation on a NUC easier than on a Beeline mini pc ?
Does bare-metal mean that I can install the HAOS directly on the mini PC ?
Please be patient with this amateur techie please …
As I said, I don’t recall what the boot device is on a Beelink. On the Intel NUC the boot device is a removable M.2 SSD. I bought an M.2 - USB adapter and just flashed HAOS X-86 image to the M.2 SSD, installed the SSD in the NUC then turned it on. Done.
That is the definition of Bare-Metal. Home Assistant is the OS.
BTW, you mentioned ESPHome. You will be blown away at how fast ESPHome projects compile on the HAOS PC. Also, a restart takes seconds and a full backup will take less than a minute.
Intel doesn’t produce nuc’s anymore, whole thing was sold to asus. So, if you get intel nuc it’s old model, but still better than newest pi…
Question…
In the instructions I see that to put Ubuntu on a USB flash drive I need to use rufus. However the rufus page seems to be very old, mentioning Windows 7.
Is that still the way to put bootable Ubuntu on a flash drive ?
You can use Etcher, for example. Rufus is just one of options. You need to create a bootable Linux usb. Many tools can do that.
The other possibility is also to put HAOS image directly to SSD using etcher. That is if you can remove it from nuc (without voiding warranty). When you put it back and turn power on HAOS will start.
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From Intel:
Dear Stephen,
Thank you for contacting Intel® Customer Support.
We acknowledge your request regarding the ownership of the NUC trademark from Intel®.
We would like to let you know that Intel owns the NUC trademark. However, Asus holds a non-exclusive license to produce and sell specific NUC systems. This license also permits Asus to create future designs and offer support and services to customers.
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Yeah, I just don’t want to have to pay a Microsoft tax 