Sonoff ZHA Group shown as Entity in Home Assistant

I am brand new to Home Assistant and not a coder. I have Home Assistant Green and I purchased the following co-ordinator

SONOFF Zigbee 3.0 USB Dongle Plus MG24, Zigbee Gateway with EFR32MG24, Thread & Zigbee USB stick, Zigbee controller for Home Assistant or Zigbee2MQTT.

My challenge is to get an effective operating in sync lighting group and for that I wish to group at Zigbee (ZHA) level and not use the HELPER at HA level.

My understanding and goal is to make a ZHA group show as a useable Entity at Home Assistant level. My understanding is that will then utilise one signal out from the co-ordinator and the group will talk with each other via zigbee. Its also my understanding that this is indeed possible.

I can easily make the ZHA group and I am led to believe that when doing so, I should see a TICK Box to show the group as an Entity in HA, but I have NO tick box.

Can anyone advise please?

Correct

Incorrect. Not sure where you got that info, but it’s wrong.
I just created a ZHA group for you and didn’t get any tick boxes, yet I can see the group when searching under Entities. It also shows up as an entity under your Zigbee Coordinator device.

I must be missing something. Via my co-ordinator I can see a group named Main Bathroom which consists of two ZHA entities.

When I go to Settings / Devices and search for bathroom, it only displays the two ZHA entities that I had in that group, but not the group itself.

So I must be missing something somewhere and currently relying on groups via Helper

Try filtering your entity list by Integrations > Zigbee Home Automation. Your group should be visible under the coordinator. My group is named Kitchen Island (I deleted the phil group after I replied to you):

Either that or find your ZHA coordinator and check if it’s listed there:

Maybe you had a typo when you created the group :man_shrugging:

Hang on a second. In your original post, you said that your…

Now you’re saying that you can’t find the group…

Those are 2 totally different concepts. You will find the group as an Entity under ZHA and NOT as a Device.

Also, the below is wrong:

Those are the original (source) Devices. Your group will only exist as an entity in ZHA. The only zigbee integration I know of which presents groups as both a Device AND an Entity is Zigbee2MQTT.

Please read up on the difference between a Device and an Entity - you had me confused for a minute there & I had typed all the crossed out post above before I realised the source of your issue.

Okay thanks for your replies, I guess I have a lot more learning to do. Having a quick look again I am wondering if its a ‘Groupcast’ i need. So one HA signal and all grouped bulbs listen. I’ll do some research.

No, if you’ve created a ZHA group, you’re all done.

What problem are you trying to solve exactly? Please tell me it isn’t the fact that you can’t see a device when creating an automation, because that could have been fixed a week ago

What I am trying to solve is the fact that my 10 kitchen bulbs are not synchronised when I turn on and off. I made the assumption that was because (as forums have indicated) I chose to create a Group of bulbs by using HA Helper. So in that Group I have multiple devices (bulbs) that are ZHA Integrations. I believe that the approach I have taken is sending 10 commands out from the HA.

I thought that if within the Sonoff ZHA configuration, that I created a group of devices at this level, the Group would show up in the HA Entities tab. Switching this would cause one signal out from the HA.

Now as I have been typing this, there are some developments. I discovered that actually one of the groups was there, but it was named wrong, so I changed the name and now it works.

So then I created a brand new group within Sonoff ZHA for the lounge lights. And even after a reboot it does not show in entities. and I have tried searching and clearing filters.

So progress in a way but still frustrated. Really appreciate you’re responses thanks.

There’s no such thing as a Sonoff ZHA integration. The ZHA integration is part of HA and does not rely on a Sonoff exclusively.

Can you show a screenshot of where you’re creating these groups?