daywalker03
Excellent news. I was wondering about this.
Excellent news. I was wondering about this.
Waiting patiently to upgrade from RPI3 with the 1GB ram constantly over 85% of use. 🥲
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we are happy to report that Compute Module 4 has become more widely available again, as seen on rpilocator.
Only in Europe, unfortunately. Very limited in the US, not seen in Canada at all since May.
Honestly, the 5 looks nice but I somehow doubt that the problems of the 4 were fixed. Using the same dual purpose wifi chip, you probably still can’t use ble mouse and keyboard at the same time.
I wonder if the new 5 has support for hardware en-/decoding of encryption (e.g. for decent ssh/sftp support).
If someone would like to join the beta program, just go here:
The Alpha forum (which is probably what people are actually asking about), is a separate forum that a small number of people (currently about 20) have been invited to. We send them hardware early under NDA so that we can get early feedback. Some of the image maintainers are on that list (Ubuntu, OSMC for example) but mostly because we have had a long-term relationship with those people. To get into the alpha forum as a random user, you’d need to be known on the Raspberry Pi forums, join the beta forum, and help out with testing software releases etc. In fact, around 20 of the beta forum members have now been sent Pi 5 units to thank them for (unknowingly) helping to develop the Bookworm image for Pi 5.
Gordon Hollingworth (CTO-Software at Raspberry Pi)
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Does it? The Orange Pi 5 (RK3588) is available since around a year and available benchmarks look like this “old” SBC is not only offer more performance than the not (yet) available Raspberry Pi 5 but is specially (much) more efficient 
I think the real question is how Home Assistant/Nabu Casa can get on that Alpha list, so they can start preparing to get HAOS ready for the new hardware as soon as possible (preferably at launch)
Why are you waiting patiently? You realize 4 comes after 3 and before 5, right? The pi4 was released YEARS ago. Other than during covid, they have been widely available and are available right now.
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I always skip a model, I do that with all kind of gear.
It improves my patience skill and makes me feel like a less dumb consumer.
Ya, that makes a lot of sense… kinda like wiping before you poo. You do realize there are dozens of really good projects you can use these for, right? HA is just one thing you can do with one and you can arguably never have to many rpi laying around.
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O K… Thanks for your input.
As stated before in a quote it looks like the raspberry pi trading ltd rushed indeed releasing this board. Every day passing this 16nm lithography design (introduced 2016 - so 7 years old) it’s collecting dust. 
As a side note a RK3588(S) comes with a NPU integrated with 6 TOPS (50% more than a coral NPU) 
The Orange Pi 5 Plus even features 2xPCIe and 2.5G LAN 
The Price for a (available) Orange Pi 5 VS a (not available) Raspberry Pi 5 looks like to be in the same ball park while the later offers much less (CPU,GPU,NPU,Storage) 
And the “new” VideoCore 7 GPU from the Raspberry Pi 5 looks like a joke based on the limited information available
It looks like to have 12 (
) times lower performance than the Mali G610 found in the two year older RK3588 based SBC’s like the Orange Pi 5 
| Graphics card | ARM Mali-G610 MP4 | Broadcom VideoCore VII | ||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Market (main) | Desktop | Desktop | ||||||
| Release date | Q2 2021 | Q3 2023 | ||||||
| Performance FP32 (float) | 610.6 GFLOPS | 51.2 GFLOPS |
Looks like the Raspberry 5 is easy 2 years late for the show 
Maybe they are now the Apple of SoCs 
As is the 6 TOPS NPU for HA at this very moment - and now comes the but (not butt 
) HA supports various add-ons which can make use of (supported) GPU’s and NPU’s to (greatly) lower CPU usage
For example my HaOS machine also runs frigate which does support off-loading to compatible GPU/VPU and NPU/TPU 
I also expect that HA actually utilizes GPU/VPU accelerators already today for stuff like video de/transcoding (hwaccel with ffmpeg) for showing cameras on lovelace for example 
Might need to correct myself here. Looks like 14nm lithography was already around since 2014 actually. 
So the new Raspberry Pi 5 looks like it uses rather a 10 year old process node in it’s ‘new’ design 
Shipping devices
In 2013, SK Hynix began mass-production of 16 nm NAND flash,[23] TSMC began 16 nm FinFET production,[24] and Samsung began 10 nm class NAND flash production.[25]
Yeah, but having some 3rd party boards now, it’s a real pain with the OS. You only get either a crusty old Ubuntu version or you have to manage with unsupported Arabian build. Not sure someone at Nabula Casa wants to deal with that and support that… Even I am thinking of just throwing them out, just for that reason…
What people love about Pi’s isn’t the performance, you could just get a NUC-alike for that, but that just everyone supports Pis and they always get updates.
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Due diligence is obligatory before buying a “random SBC” - other than x86/64 devices they don’t share a common (software) base to build on
That said my (H3) Orange Pi’s had mainline support before the raspberries back in the days
If it’s about Armbian the mentioned RK3588 based Orange Pi 5 / 5B / 5 Plus are actually one out of seven devices with “platinum support”
If you taking about Nabu Casa here they actually just recently delivered HaOS for a RK3566 device (Home Assistant 
) and it is probably (much) easier for the team to port HaOS to a RK3588 with (almost?) complete mainline support than for the new Raspberry Pi 5 with BCM2712 that doesn’t have any mainline support by the looks of it (this very moment in time)
I mean good for that specific one, but it’s also almost double the price, for just a little bit more you get some Intel Mobile chip probably and the ones that cost less are always pretty much unsupported. And far more interesting for me specifically and probably many others is the compute module, thigh I don’t think you can get a compatible one for the Orange or Rock Pis, but that’s what you need for the Yellow for example.
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Considering that almost 50% of HA users are on some form of Raspberry Pi and another 48% are on either x86 or on a VM, these weird 3rd party Pi clone boards are pretty much totally irrelevant and a complete niche thing. I’d rather have NC invest time and money into what ~97% of the user base use:
(From here).
Absolutely.
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I see a $100 orange pi 5 with 8GB RAM on amazon, the raspberry pi 5 with 8GB is announced to be $80 - let’s see if that works out, the cheapest raspberry pi 4 (8GB) I can find locally are starting only at $95 and not the “annouced” $75(?)
But while a RK3588(s) based device can offer much more hardware wise compared to a BCM2712 (rpi5) not everything can be utilized (like NPU/TPU) when no software support is given making some benefits only a theoretical ones.
That’s what I did. Not a Nuc but a used x86 thin client for $50 and another $30 for coral tpu to start the frigate journey 
And while it is a very solid device I got it is still quite power hungry (talking around 10W idle and up to 30W when busy) a RK3588 based device should be around 3.5 times as efficient (hence needing less than 1/3 of the power for the same task!) 
Like the Home Assistant Blue 
and the latest one the Green 
? 
The raspberries were actually never bleeding etch and since the beginning used quite old socs (didn’t they start with old-new stock from broadcom which were designed for cameras?) but as of today the boradcom socs found in the pi’s look like they don’t even try to compete (or par) with rock chip or amlogic socs The usp always was the quite advanced software support compared to other sbc’s - but as time goes on many other soc’s have mainline support and offer better price/performance ratio as well being more efficient. I expect the green got that specific rock chip soc also for that reasons 
Any way we might see a Home Assistant Red 
in the future which might be a more performand device - maybe build on a RK3588(s) - who knows
You are abviously not aware of the direction ML server farms are going and why Nvidia’s failure acquisition of ARM was such a blow to them.
Real dedicated GPU/TPU power has Apple challenging that space with Arm and for Gflops/watt there is no equivalent even though AMD seems to be making better progress than Intel.
CNX-software just dropped an almighty piece of kit that yeah I am definately going to take the gamble, how support will be is another matter.
The RISC-V processor also supports up to 64GB RAM, as well as UFS 3.2 and SATA 3.0 storage, comes with an Imagination GPU for 3D graphics and a VPU capable of 4Kp60 H.265, H.264, AV1, and VP9 video decoding, plenty of interfaces, and the system can manage locally deployed larger-scale LLMs like LLaMA-65B without the need for external NVIDIA or AMD accelerator cards.
Its really interesting at the moment as the US CHIPS act has and is doing nothing apart from making China look at RiscV open source design and they are already producing.
The above is sort of a Mac Mini-ish with ML focus and if it does run a 65Bn Param Lllama2 model at that price range its pretty jaw dropping.
Its interesting where things are going but much ML/AI hardware hitting the shelves is following Arm AMBA designs and it is something the Pi5 falls behind with and maybe can be saved with its Pcie2.0/3.0x1 the above with the discount coupon should be approx $100.
@orange-assistant I think when the RK3588(s) gets full mainline which is likely in the next couple of Linux releases it would likely be advantageous for HA to support it.
I am not sure about images and having the maintenance than simply supporting a install and maybe a additional repo for support to any Bian install.
If you use VLC for remote access to a headless Raspberry, you are doing it wrong.
Do you mean VNC?
I think wayland and VNC don’t like each other and not all that sure on the current state of play.
There is the likes of GitHub - any1/wayvnc: A VNC server for wlroots based Wayland compositors but not sure what has been employed in the new Debian image.
DOH!!!
Yes, I meant VNC:
The version included with Raspberry is free, no matter how many servers you run. Everyone else including Windows and Linux get only five free server slots.
I have tried other VNC products but most just don’t work.
VLC, on the other hand, is another thorn in my …
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Yeah I think its the move to wayland and work will be required depending on how they have implemented it.
I don’t really use VNC on linux especially headless as just SSH, but likely its just a matter of time with the changes to the distro.
I’m eagerly looking forward to trying out Home Assistant OS on the Raspberry Pi 5. The combination of the powerful Raspberry Pi 5 and the versatile Home Assistant platform promises to be an exciting one. I can’t wait to explore the new possibilities it brings for home automation and smart control. It’s a perfect match for DIY enthusiasts like me who love to tinker with technology. Let the home automation adventures begin!
I have a Pi5 ready to migrate from HA on a Pi4, be happy to participate etc
yeah my Pi5 arrived today and I’m keen to see how it handles HA, Frigate and my 4K security cameras… my Pi4 struggles so I need to pass a lower resolution through to Frigate for it to work…
Is there a chance that once RPi 5 support does get added, RPi 4 users will be able to simply connect their existing SSD/SD Card to the RPi 5 & boot (RPi OS allowed this since basically forever now)?
Will be very annoying to have to reinstall the entire thing & then restore from a backup which takes hours even for smaller backups.
Last time I tried to restore from a backup I had to cancel it and just transfer everything manually to a new installation since it was taking over 3 hours without a way to see progress.
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Yes I have a heavily customized (with ALOT of integrations and ~300 automations) HA instance running on my RPI4 (tweaked endlessly sao the CPU and memory are still low) but so much looking forward to upgrading, I was thinking of also starting on adding video (most likely still a different machine to include instead of competety weighing down one machine) -
Hello, do you have any updates? When Home Assistant OS will be available on Raspberry Pi 5?
SAME! I’ve had my RPi5 for a month or so and am planning to move my current Homebridge Setup over to Home Assistant. Just waiting for HA RPi5 support!!
I received my rpi5 this week and am looking forward to moving my HA installation over as soon as it is available.
Currently I am running it on a Pi 400 as that was all that I could find when I started unfortunately I have been suffering some lock ups in my installation, I am thinking from over heating and there is no way to add a cooler to a pi 400 that I am aware of.
If the guys can get HA to run on the rpi5 I will suffer for a bit longer and move straight to that if not I may need to a rpi4 for the time bieng
I now have Home Assistant OS working on my Raspberry pi 5 
I downloaded the develoment build and put it on SD card with Raspberry Pi imager.
It was not all smooth sailing because I setup my network credentials via Pi Imager but apparently those settings did not get applied when the development HAOS was written onto the SD card. So When I loaded the SD card into my Raspberry Pi 5 and booted it up I was expecting to see the device onto my network and that I could SSH into it. But that was not the case. So I purchased a micro HDMI to HDMI cable and hooked up my monitor. That was hard because the (4k) monitor was mostly complete dark with every two seconds or so a very fast flash where I could see the HA CLI. I had to film or take pictures of the screen at the exact moment so I could see what it said. I then had to look up exactly how to configure HA to connect to my wifi via the HA command line. But I succeeded in the end and I was very happy to finally be able to reach HA via the network. I was even more than happy that I could successfully import the backup that I made from my previous windows Home Assistant installation. I needed to move over HA from my windows computer because every update restarted the PC and at that moment HA was no longer working until I logged in to the PC and started HA again. Very happy that its now working from mi Raspberry Pi 5.
Lesson: use wired ethernet.
Ready to Go! 
I’m also waiting…
I wanted to set up HA on my Pi5 nice clean and new over the Christmas holidays. There’s still a week until Christmas. But I don’t think that an official version will be released this year. or ?
how do you install it? i got my rp5 and im new to this
and not sure what you used to host HA, but that can be configured to auto start easily also
good to hear! though I might wait a bit longer before I put this on my home system
also the top 2 are officially provided by Rasperry PI foundation
How does it look so far? Mi Pi5 is waiting for deployment.
I am really looking forward to it, currently I have a Pi3 and it is really struggling with my deployment because of the many running services.
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I am not using HAOS on RPi 5 for any ‘production’ uses at this point. However, it is running very stably and reliably on my Pi 5. I am not stress testing it in any way at this time. My Home Assistant Yellow PoE is currently handling everything without breaking a sweat whatsoever, so no need to upgrade at this time. I am just experimenting with the Pi 5 for now.
You have to change one setting, and then it works fine in Docker on the Pi5 apparently.
Installing network-manager will cause probs unless
https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager#Enabling_Interface_Management
Then install GitHub - home-assistant/os-agent: Daemon allowing to control OS features through D-Bus before running GitHub - home-assistant/supervised-installer: Installer for a generic Linux system
After that I didn’t bother going any further as the specific installers creating custom grub cmdlines seems the wrong way round to me, but hey.
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I wouldn’t expect Supervised to necessarily work, but supervised is not the same as docker alone.
The docker issues were a unexpected(by me anyway), but at least there seems to be an easy enough workaround for now.
You can easily download it from GitHub, as support for the RPi 5 is now included in HAOS 11.3.
Just expand the Assets section on the above page and you’ll find the haos_rpi5-64-11.3.img.xz that you can use with the Raspberry Pi Imaging Tool to create a bootable microUSB flash card for testing.
Where do you find the Pi5 devolpment build? Cant find it in the offical Pi imager
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I think you need to download the image from the attached link (above), then write it to an sd card.
Details were provided in the post immediately above yours…
HA OS for RaspBerry PI 5 worked for me out of the box except the Raspbee II. It is detected but the Addons (ZHA & Zigbee2MQTT) are not being working properly in my setup.
@TeacherGus same problem here.
I installed haos_rpi5-64-11.4.dev20231223.img.xz on my RPi 5 yesterday.
After backup restore most Addons looks not started but are started if you check the logs, but some are not working like Zigbee2MQTT and MQTT broker (EMQX).
Running back on my RPi4b now…
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(Adding @TeacherGus as well since you have the same issue as Sikkbe)
While I have not tried installing HA on my own Raspberry Pi 5 yet, something very similar happened when I helped my dad migrate from a RPI 3 to an RPI 4. We just could not get some of the addons (Zigbee2MQTT was one of them) to run. However, after checking some forums someone mentioned that they had a similar issue and solved this by disabling the “Start on boot”-option for all addons before creating the backup.
I realized that that since all addons are basically docker containers HA is probably trying to replicate that exact container on a new machine which will cause a whole bunch of issues. The correct approach should be to create a fresh new container on the new machine that uses an identical configuration.
We were able to solve it by simply turning off the “Start on boot”-option for all addons and rebooting the RPI 4, no new backup or flashing needed, and then simply starting the addons one by one. The machine has been rebooted since and now they start as normal.
Not sure if this will work in your case, but it might be worth a try? 
Thank you very much @carl_bratt for your help. I appreciate it.
@Sikkbe, finally I got Zigbee2MQTT working in my Raspberry PI 5 with HA OS. I re-installed the OS, version https://os-artifacts.home-assistant.io/11.4.dev20231226/haos_rpi5-64-11.4.dev20231226.img.xz. After reading this forum: Raspberry Pi 5 + Raspbee = no devices found #7413 I updated the config.txt file in the OS with the parameters:
hardware on hand, ready to go!enable_uart=1
dtparam=uart0_console
After this, the ttyAMA0 (instead of just ttyAMA10) was detected and it worked like a charm! I hope it helps!
My Pi5 is also finally running with the RC2 HA OS, but Zigbee2mqtt is still giving me trouble. It works fine, but after a while it stalls or crashes or something and blocks the network. Strangely it doesn’t seem to show me any errors or be aware that anything is wrong…
My pi5, with the latest 11.3 image, boots to the point where it is waiting for the HA CLI, then goes into the emergency console. Anyone else see this or have a way of fixing it?
Just download the haos_rpi5-64-11.3.img.xz file to your computer. Then, use the RPi Imager to choose RPi 5, Select Custom Image (the one you just downloaded), select the microUSB card, and voila! You now have a RPi5 HAOS 11.3 device ready to install in your RPi 5.
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I am confused. After installing haos 11.3 there appears homebridge and not home assistant. Wrong image?
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Hard to say if you don’t tell us exactly what image you downloaded.
You need to flash that file to your card or ssd with Balena Etcher.
Word of caution though…the current HA builds on RPi 5 have a very high chance of breaking (as in failing to boot) after a system reboot. This doesn’t happen every time, but it’s probably something like a 30% chance for many of us right now. I had to completely reinstall HA many times due to that which is quite time consuming and annoying. MY latest installation seems to be holding up well now, it has been running for 3 Days without issues, but I haven’t shut it down or rebooted it since the initial Restore, so…I hope whatever is causing the failure to boot will be fixed before I need to reboot my Pi or tuen off it’S PSU.
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Excuse the basic question and sorry if it has been answered. If i have an RPi4 with HAOS 11.4 on it with everything working, can I simply pop the SD card into the RPi5 and expect it to work, or do I need to start again?
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I too would love this solution over a full rebuild haha
Hi Ogiewon
Have you trye to restore a backup from RPI4 to RPI5, mine is failing all the time.
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When running the RC build on a RPI5 everything works fine. When I cut the power off several times everything boots up after a while on the Raspberry Pi 5. = OK
But when I update it to 11.4 and I cut the power off, the SD card is corrupted and I have to re-install everything, probably something with the 11.4 build?? Any solutions, waiting for the official build but I think it will be the same shizzle.
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This is not my HAOS image. It is the Official Home Assistant Team’s Raspberry Pi 5 image. You’d need to ask them about whether or not WiFi is supported at this time.
I have not tried it myself. Does your RPi 5 have enough storage to properly handle the restore of your existing system backup?
I wonder if there is an add-on, or similar, in your current configuration that is not yet working on the RPi 5? Just a hypothesis. As a test, you could perform a partial backup (HA Core + other ‘standard stuff’) on your existing system, and then try to restore that to see if it works.
Same here, trying to fix it for hours, should have taken a look here first
same problem with Raspberry Pi 5
The problem I have the Problem 2 time with two different SD-Cards
same problem with Raspberry Pi 5 8GB, SSD 500GB, not starting - boot
The issue has been around in the 11.3 beta and RC and is still here in the 11.4 build. It will be resolved eventually of course, but for now… rebooting your Pi might kill your HA installation.
Just installed haos_rpi5-64-11.4.img on my Pi 5 and works so far…
Same thing happens to me.
After updating from 11.3.rc1 to 11.3.rc2 and rebooting the OS.
Crash on boot, connecting the PI5 to a screen, I saw on the boot sequence an error like system panic mode etc… and then reboots on infinite cycles…
After updating from 11.3.rc2 to 11.3 and rebooting the OS, Crash on boot.
After updating from 11.3 to 11.4 and rebooting the OS, Crash on boot.
Every time have to re-flash the sdcard from the latest downloaded image.
And then do a full restore of previous backup.
(and doing a full backup every time … before rebooting, and save it on my laptop)
Eventually the issue will be fixed, but right now the whole system is unstable this way, not possible to be used at clients locations, remotely, with such risk of breaking.
seems like my Pi5 will collect some dust until this stabilises…
Raspberry Pi 
Original heatsink
PoE HAT 
Pimorone nvme BASE “HAT”
I saw video’s of having to manually change configuration to get the Pi5 to boot off of the NVME drive, do we know if they are working on making it possible to boot off of nvme drives in HA. ?
I have RPi5 8Gb with Pimoroni NVME Base + SSD Samsung 980 500Gb connected through NVME (not USB)
I’ve spent several days trying to make HA works on this setup with huge number of fails.
Short story:
The main issue was with Raspberry Pi Imager - it makes not bootable image on SSD or SD Card. Once I’ve used Balena Etcher - HA starts to boot from the SSD (or SD, I tried both).
Long story:
I have old RPi3 with 1Gb RAM and experienced some troubles with Sonoff Zigbee 3.0 USB dongle when Zigbee2MQTT addon going to reset preiodically. I think because of out of RAM memory and freeze during swap activated watchdog to reset the addon. So, I decided to move to more powerfull HW. I’ve made an HA backup with all addons switched Off option for “Start on boot”, because I saw a topic with the issue specifically with RPi5 and HAOS 11.4 related on this.
I’ve flashed Rasperry OS lite via Raspberry Pi imager on SD card and made a first boot of RPi5 - all worked well.
I’ve changed
sudo rpi-eeprom-config --edit
by adding PCIE_PROBE=1 and changing boot order to NVMe SSD by BOOT_ORDER=0xf416
after that I’ve flashed haos_rpi5-64-11.4.img.xz on SSD and rebooted RPi5 without SD card with expectation to see the installation screen over http, but nothing happened. I’ve tried different releases like 11.3.rc1, 11.3., 11.4.rc1 with the same result (no boot). I always have used Raspberry PI imager for it, because it provides possibility to set WiFi settings and other useful options.
But when I flashed Raspberry OS on the SSD (or SD card) - it boots and works well, without any problems.
During the investigation I’ve updated eeprom
sudo nano /etc/default/rpi-eeprom-update
change the FIRMWARE_RELEASE_STATUS from “default” to “latest”
sudo apt update
sudo apt full-upgrade
sudo reboot
sudo rpi-eeprom-update
This should report at least firmware 2023-12-06 or higher.
It didn’t change anything, but good to have latest version.
So, finally I’ve used Balena Etcher to flash HAOS 11.4 image on SSD and it started to boot, showed installation screen in web browser and I used the backup to restore all my HA configuration.
The addons Mosquitto broker and Zigbee2MQTT started automatically, even with Start On Boot switched Off, I’ve just switched them On and made a full reboot.
I tried to full, quick and power disconnection reboot - without any problems. It booting every time now without any problems.
I hope it helps to other readers of this forum.
yeah I used ha network to manually set the SSID and restart, all good now! thank you
