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December 2024

Fanful

Are you going to share the results of this survey in some form?

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December 2024

brooksben11

From the last paragraph.

December 2024

Thijmen

This is really cool, thanks! I’m excited for the results :smiley: :heart:

December 2024

Deez

Hi there, just completed the survey, and some extra feedback:

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December 2024 ▶ Fanful

nickrout Solution Institution

Clearly you didn’t read the announcement.

December 2024

Mark_M

I am pleased this is ‘anonymised’.
The amount of information asked put together would be very uniquely identifiable.

Is the data released going to include everything said in ‘other’ and [type here] answers?

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December 2024

smartin

What I am missing:
All Questions are about the Status Quo, not covering what my Goals, Wishes or next Steps are.

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December 2024

koying Know-it-All

Speaking of accessibility, I didn’t even know that ‘neurodivergent’ was a word😄
I also learnt that some prefers to be addressed as “they”…

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December 2024

Hedda

Somewhat related to this (as well as the 2024 year-end roadmap update blog post) is that have previously seen that Annika also posted a less formal forum thread with an open question to the community about Best Practices for a Private Smart Home So recommend that anyone interested in providing suggestions and feedback also that check out that thread too here:

As I interpret her post there, I believe she is asking us to reply in that thread with our lists of both general and specific best practices you would recommend that everyone should try to follow in order to better protect their digital privacy when about begin with a totally new smart home setup from scratch without having to reuse any legacy components, and as such specifically targeting a proposed scenario where someone who is planning to move to a new house/apartment, so I assume that means starting from a clean slate that lacks constraints imposed by prior smart home solutions that person may have, (which in technical jargon/terminology is commonly referred to as a greenfield project).

December 2024

anakinsbrn

Don’t worry—we’ll only share aggregated and summarized insights from the responses. In the free-text answers, we’re looking at overall patterns and themes, not sharing anything word-for-word.

December 2024

petro Great contributor

If you read the post, you’ll see the intent of the survey:

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December 2024

Troon

One observation: the “matrix” question about interaction with the community was a little unclear. I rarely interact “to solve a problem” that I have; but frequently interact “to solve a problem” that others have.

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December 2024 ▶ Troon

francisp

Indeed :slight_smile: :slight_smile:

December 2024

_Mike

Holy moly! I am happy and eager to contribute to a survey about HA… But this thing is a BEAST. I finally gave up half way through. WAAYYYYYYYY too many questions!

December 2024

mrand

Just going to flag that this question is just ambiguous enough that I wouldn’t trust the responses. Does build ESPhome firmware mean you’re manually compiling the source code (presumably due to customizations), or does it simply refer to running through the (quite simple) compile YAML + download?

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December 2024 ▶ mrand

petro Great contributor

I assumed it meant “wrote your yaml files and compiled it” vs things like apollo or ratgdo where you download the file and just run it.

December 2024

parautenbach

Thanks for running this survey! It took me 25 min to complete. I’m a slow reader. :slight_smile:

December 2024

Mahko_Mahko

Big survey but hey it’s the least I can do…

December 2024 ▶ petro

smartin

Yes. Read it. I am missing Questions what my Goals, Wishes or next Steps are.

Im asked about the language we speak at home. Two.
I am asked about if we use Voice Assistant. No.
I am missing the possibility to say “But i would love to make this my next project”.

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December 2024 ▶ smartin

petro Great contributor

Let me be more clear: This survey isn’t looking for that information.

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December 2024 ▶ petro

smartin

Yes, it is not.
And this is what I am missing :smiley:

Edit: Yes, you (They? Nabu Casa? Foundation? Homeassistant) wanna get to know who uses it as of today. And how it started. I think the future Goals are as interesting as the past.

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December 2024 ▶ smartin

petro Great contributor

And that may come in the future, but that’s not what this survey is about.

The month of WTH is currently about what the users want added in the future.

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December 2024 ▶ petro

smartin

That’s nothing to do with WTH. I will not open a wth “I think about using voice assistant in the future”. Should I? :wink:

Youre repeating “this is not what the survey is about”. Im repeating “I think these questions do belong to the goals of the survey”. Looks like a Loop.
If you can tell me WHY this does not (from your pov) belong to the survey, this might be a step.

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December 2024 ▶ smartin

daywalker03

The survey, as I understand it, is about where user currently ARE in their smart home journey, not about where they want to take their smart home. They need to know where the majority of users responding are before they can understand where they want to go in the future.

December 2024

IamDan

Might be a dumb question but what does anyones pronouns have to do with a smart home?

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December 2024

ThisWayToo

I question that I think was missing is a free form input for suggesting additional potential questions to be considered for use in any future surveys.

December 2024 ▶ IamDan

Mahko_Mahko

My read is they are trying to get different indications of the diversity of their users so they can work on broadening the appeal.

Like if it is all “Tech dudes” then there is opportunities for expansion.

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December 2024

JerryM

Home Assistant should market to service technicians more and create more marketable things or direct attention to the ability to have service technicians already looking for something to do in someone’s house set up home assistant.

THE HOME ASSISTANT
SERVICE TECHNICIAN
INCENTIVE PROGRAM

Then when the service technicians don’t know what to do you hire us forum dwellers to talk them through it.

Let me know where to send my resume :wink:

December 2024

pove

I’m thinking… HA is limited to people who understand English. Is just a thought.

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December 2024 ▶ pove

Fanful

Somewhere in the middle of the survey I was asked if I understand English :rofl:

December 2024

Mariusthvdb

we are asked things like whether we consider the community a welcoming place (forgot the exact wording). there’s no follow-up on those type of questions however, so my guess is no lessons learned there. Or understanding…

December 2024

Lakini

I like that you added an “if” there to soften reality a bit :wink:

Let’s face it: at least the forum IS 90%+ “tech dudes”, with all pros and especially cons.

We would massively profit from a more diverse user base

Says me, a tech dude

December 2024 ▶ smartin

petro Great contributor

The blog post tells you why they have this survey. I haven’t been speaking from my point of view, I’ve been speaking from the intentions of the blog post. Sometimes things won’t be exactly what you want, you don’t need to announce that on every blog post.

December 2024

cpw

Is anyone else finding the survey just loads as a blank white page? It seems there might be some elements on the page, but they’re completely invisible.

I get the little HA icon and progress bar show up, then it just renders as white on white. No text is selectable so I can’t see what it says that way either. Looking at the DOM tree, it seems that there’s some elements missing.

Environment: Firefox 133.0.3 (64-bit) on Debian Sid, with the ublockorigin addon. Disabling ublockorigin didn’t seem to help.

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December 2024 ▶ mrand

ncd

Strongly agree with this. There were a few ESPHome questions - I answered in the manner in which I tried to infer the questions were intended but there was some ambiguity.

December 2024 ▶ cpw

petro Great contributor

I didn’t notice any of that, I used an iPhone (ios18.xx) w/ chrome.

Questions render correctly on Win10/FF as well.

December 2024

ncd

All-in-all, a very nice survey! A bit longer but I didn’t mind - it’s a very minor investment of time to give back in a way.
There was a section that felt like it was repeating. Somewhere in the second half there were questions about our motivation for picking up HA but a bunch of similar questions came up early on in the survey. Perhaps good to review that for future surveys (next year :P).

A section on what we find most jarring / highest-friction would be good as well (i.e. if we could fix ONE thing with current resources, what would it be) as well as a section on any moonshot ideas we’d have (i.e. disregarding budget/resources/feasibility, what is ONE thing you’d love to see done).

Also, would be good to make it clear if you can stop part way and still have the answers you provided be useful. I personally didn’t mind the length of the survey but I know some people will - it’s a lot.

Great job to the survey designers and I’m looking fwd to reading what you glean from the data.

Happy Holidays all! :evergreen_tree:

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December 2024 ▶ ncd

dvbit

done. happy holoidays

December 2024

phsdv

The question on I program HA has not enough options. I am not using the GUI and not using YAML. And there was no ‘other’ option. All my automations are done in pyscrypt (custom via HACS).

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December 2024 ▶ IamDan

def1149

I left those blank because they are entirely irrelevant to anything

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December 2024 ▶ def1149

gonzotek

Conversation.

“Ok Nabu, can you let my partner/wife/husband/girlfriend/child know I’ll be late today?”

Response: “No problem! Sending him/her/them a notification now. Would you like me to also notify him/her/them when you start traveling home?”

December 2024

hassiopi

From the comments here, I think we need a survey about the survey :wink:

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December 2024 ▶ hassiopi

Merc

Correct,
There seems to be a large number of specialists in this field here on the forum who know exactly what they would like to answer.
So obviously the wrong questions were asked.

Quite logical thinking :rofl:

December 2024 ▶ IamDan

sm250

Nothing. At that point I stopped filling it out. Completely unnecessary political stuff.

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December 2024 ▶ sm250

Merc

Such a useful and very brave decision. Thanks for sharing.
I hope the HA crowd has learned their part. :rofl:

December 2024

TerryKing

Survey well done… Look forward to data. Will you abstract “opinions”?
As a Very Old Home Automation guy I thought the technically oriented questions were well done. No questions about Altair, Apple or IBM PC based systems though… :slight_smile:

Regards, Terry King
…In The Woods In Vermont
The one who dies with the most Parts LOSES! WHAT DO YOU NEED??

December 2024

Cake1468

Some people feel less welcome if they aren’t acknowledged. An open pronoun helps keep the door open to more people. :man_shrugging:t3: Seems worthwhile. It’s not necessarily about the smart home itself, but building the community.

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December 2024

mirekmal Guidance Counsellor

Just guessing, but perhaps some preparations to include this in TTS, so that HA responces won’t offend some members of our community addressing them as he/she?

December 2024

Boilerplate4u

WTH - I was in the middle of the survey late last night and decided to finish it today, but all the text from my previous answers under “Other” is gone!

December 2024 ▶ Cake1468

allard77

The problem with pronouns (or actually, with people) is that some people feel less welcome when they aren’t asked for them, and others feel less welcome when they are.
There are plenty of languages that don’t have gendered pronouns at all. That’s one less thing to argue about, but I trust people who speak those languages will find something else to be offended by.

December 2024

allard77

“My smart home is built with consideration for the lifespan of devices to promote sustainability.” What does that mean?
Does it mean “i don’t buy cheap alix crap for my smart home because it breaks all the time and that’s bad for the environment”? Or does it mean “my home is smart so my devices last longer and that’s good for the environment”

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December 2024 ▶ IamDan

myle Guidance Counsellor

Snap Bro that was my coment beck to them…

December 2024

stevemann

In all my years on these forums, you are the first to say this. If included in a survey of Home Assistant users, your response would be the period on the left side of the Bell-curve.

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December 2024

stevemann

“It means what you want it to mean. When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.”

It doesn’t matter why you chose devices, only if lifespan and sustainability mean something to you.

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December 2024 ▶ stevemann

allard77

When interpreting the answers to questionnaires, an essential assumption is that all respondents are answering the same question, otherwise your data gathering is useless. I may care about lifespan but not about sustainability. Or the other way around. A piece of housing made of alumin(i)um will last longer than plastic but will take a lot more energy to make.
I think it is good for the usefulness of the survey if the OP can clarify this question and others that have been unclear to posters in this thread.

December 2024

Hedda

While not using poorly-made devices with crappy build-quality that will break regardless sooner rather than later even if used as intended also promote sustainability in one way I personally believe that this question instead refers to devices that somehow depend on cloud services.

At least I think that if an IoT product in any way (directly or indirectly) depend on a cloud service in any way to be installed, configured and/or to work as it was design then that device can not be said to 100% promote sustainability, and that indirectly also includes devices that require a specific app for configuration too.

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December 2024 ▶ Hedda

allard77

Good point. And yet another argument for further clarifying the question.

December 2024 ▶ stevemann

nickrout Solution Institution

There are plenty of threads on pyscript. You may need to be more observant, especially as Mr yaml-challenged might be constantly looking for alternatives.

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December 2024

300cpilot

I stopped filling it out part way. When it went away from Home Assistant relative questions, it became just noise.

Just know that these surveys can be used to send a company down a path that a small amount of users want and not what is good for the company. One person could hire a company to fill out thousands of these, how they want. Be careful where you are pointed when the dust settles.

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December 2024 ▶ 300cpilot

ncd

Especially when the most paranoid persons on here stop filling out the survey mid-way and then complain when their voices aren’t heard… Just saying if you re-read what you did and what you warn against, there is a pretty interesting cognitive dissonance there.

December 2024

phsdv

I won’t say that I’m yaml challenged. But I can say that I don’t like yaml. Therefore I prefer the GUI over yaml. The GUI is getting better over time, but it is still difficult to make more complex automations. I prefer real programming languages to do that. Hence pyscript.

On the pyscript wiki are some awsome examples comparing yaml versus pyscript:

Example yaml automation:

- alias: some automation
  trigger:
    platform: state
    entity_id: binary_sensor.test
    to: "on"
  condition:
    condition: template
    value_template: "{{ is_state('input_boolean.test', 'on') }}"
  action:
    - service: homeassistant.turn_on
      entity_id: switch.test

Pyscript version:

@state_trigger('binary_sensor.test == "on"')
@state_active('input_boolean.test == "on"')
def turn_on():
  switch.test.turn_on()
December 2024 ▶ Deez

flyoffacliff

Yeah it took me about an hour. The more detailed you get, the longer it drags on. An option for a shortened version would be nice. I didn’t see anything like that in it either.

December 2024

odwide

What do pronouns have to do with smart home stuff? Please don’t soil HA with sociopolitics. Enough already with the vocabulary surgery the UI has undergone.

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December 2024 ▶ odwide

petro Great contributor

People, it’s just a way to ask what your gender is. Relax.

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December 2024 ▶ petro

odwide

Well that makes sense I guess. Although much easy just asking it plainly.

What's your gender?: ____________

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December 2024 ▶ odwide

petro Great contributor

Or y’all could just answer the question without putting a lot of thought into it.

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December 2024 ▶ petro

odwide

The thing is that in the middle of a smart home tech survey out of nowhere you’ve got What are your pronouns? Really?

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December 2024 ▶ odwide

petro Great contributor

Who cares, move on. It’s really not a big deal. I’ll pass the along that pronouns are triggering to y’all for next time.

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December 2024 ▶ petro

odwide

It’s not a big deal, it’s only part of my survey feedback, for what it’s worth; event if it’s pejoratively adjudicated to triggering.

December 2024

AxelBerger

English is not everbody’s first language and jargon even less so. I’m colour blind and clicked neurodivergent:yes. In the next question I saw my reading of the term to be clearly different from yours. So I clicked and that was it. I won’t bother again.
One of the first and most important rules in web design established by Tim Berners-Lee himself before 1996 was and is “Do not break the back button!” You should be banned from writing for the web ever again.

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December 2024

JerryM

Forum Admins Making a Post (click for more details)
December 2024

AxelBerger

I clicked “back” and that was it. In the post I enclosed “back” in angle brackets and this interface just made it vanish. Not nice.

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December 2024

petro Great contributor

image
these buttons go forward backward in questions.

Also keep in mind, the poll questions were created by Nabu Casa, not the poll software. There may be a way to provide feedback to typeform on their website.

December 2024

petro Great contributor

Locking, nothing good is coming from this conversation.