just use the Action
action: hassio.backup_full
this creates unencrypted backups
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This is not available in every installation type.
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Iām experiencing an issue with the new backup system in 2025.1 for the second night in a row. While the local backup is created successfully, the upload to Nabu Casa fails consistently. Manual backups works and uploads to Nabu Casa.
From what I can tell, the issue seems to be specific to the upload process to Nabu Casa. My internet connection is stable, and other cloud integrations in Home Assistant are functioning correctly.
Is anyone else experiencing this problem with Nabu Casa uploads in 2025.1?
The customer is always rightā¦ 
Iām still amazed there isnāt a decent/advanced scheduler like schedy included in core.
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You will if you canāt find the encryption key next timeā¦
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They will appear in the HA Log at startup. Always worth checking the log on a regular basis.
Agree - 400 comments are a lot.
All the devs have to do to stop the bitching is to say - donāt worry we will offer a local unencrypted option 
Having said that - HA is for free, so I am in no position to demand anything from the devs - they built this fantastic piece of software - and I will be thankfull to them either way.
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I know. But for this and many other, there arenāt such pre-infos. That is, what I wanted to say.
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Free - yes and no - not if you subscribe to support the project, you expect a little back. Yes Iām thankful as well for HA, but this isnāt the first instance of the Devs being a little deaf to their user base.
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What you get back is a simple and easy way to setup remote access, and now also cloud storage.
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Man, the changes to graphs and being able to set category and label upon creation looks amazing (!), but going to stick to 2024.12 until the backups are sorted out.
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I donāt want forced encryption for locally stored backups.
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Happy Nabu subscriber for years but my backups are 5.1GB so as it is now the cloud storage options doesnāt even allow for a single backupā¦
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Backup is absolutely key, and I also (so far) relied on 3rd party integrations.
Key is of course to back up to a totally different medium. It does not help to backup onto the same harddisk where the original system is on, when the disk itself might be subject to failure. Also, Iād like to avoid using another disk (SSD, whatever) attached to the same HA server when e.g. there is a flooding or other damage to the system itself, thus I am always doing backups to a physically different location.
I use so far Nextcloud as a potential target, i.e. having geo-redundant backup storage.
Key is also the Restore function - I hope that future releases also look at this, so an easy way of restoring an encrypted backup is part of an initial, maiden system startupā¦
Thx for the precious work on a highly-relevant topic - and a Happy New Year to you all!
Why would you skip this version based on a new feature that you donāt have to use?
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To me it seems a bit risky updating. Will my current scheduled automatic backups to GDrive (the Add-on) continue to work as they do now if I donāt touch the new normal backups-system? If I can continue to use that without bothering with the new system then I might upgrade. Unrelated to backups, there are some users reporting issues with modbus, climate/smartir and HACS which also makes me a bit nervous.
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That was indeed a bug. It was noted during beta testing, but as HA does not control 3rd party resources it was not mentioned in the release notes.
There is now a fix available. Check your updates.
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This thread doesnāt need yet another āvoteā for unencrypted backups so I have held off.
What really staggers me though is despite this being just about the hottest topic I can remember over the last seven years, except perhaps a few years ago with the fears of yaml configuration going away or if I recall correctly MQTT being broken by an upgrade, is the complete lack of any communication from Nabu Casa except a slightly ridiculous, after the fact, request for information.
On the other hand I shouldnāt be staggerred, it is fairly par for the course with NC, one of the reasons I very reluctantly stopped my subscription. Everything that comes out of NC in the form of product/brand communication is exactly right and exactly what I want to hear and what I want to support.
It is some of what isnāt said and some of the actions that can be questionable.
But Petro is right, if you are commenting here the least you can do is give answers to the quetsions.
- Not often, maybe one event a month or less. But that one event could mean opening it several times.
- To extract individual bits of code or look at how something worked ābeforeā. It is always to recover either an error (self inflicted) or to revert something because I realised the new way was not in fact such a good idea.
- I think never.
And for the record I have a timed automation that calls hassio.backup_full.
So from what Iāve read I am going to be ok if I can pluck up the courage to upgrade - the card-mod issue is another big one for me though.
(EDIT: tom_l posted while I was posting. Seems I should be ok with that one too!)
(EDIT2: Maybe notā¦)
My backup strategy if you're interested
I have a `cmd` script using Robocopy that runs every time I start my PC (not the same machine that runs HA) - It Deletes old backups (older than 8 days on the HA machine) - Copies any new backups to a folder on my PC - Copies my Packages folder to my PC after moving the existing Packages folder - Does the same for python scripts, esphome yaml files and root config filesThe entire HA backup folder on my PC is included in my scheduled backup to NAS job
This way I have 8 days of full backups as well as two days of plain text backups of all my yaml for much easier and quicker access.
On three different machines and off site too if I choose to include the backup folder as part of my OneDrive
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except that fix introduces many more issuesā¦ also because of unannounced changes in several core frontend cards (that needed to be incorporated in the custom card-mod apparently).
We can now mod badges easily but have a lot of other things to fixā¦ā¦
fwiw, and awaiting true debugging time, there is also a small edit we can to to get card_mod up and running again.
this could have been communicated so much better, and would have, if the team truly felt it needed to known its user base, or whatever the title of that query was.
btw Tom, Iāve stopped using the word āBug/issueā here, because the stance of the team is this (custom stuff) is not supported anyway, and they see no need to inform their user base.
All open source and out in the open, so you can follow along in the GitHub, that is just about it.
Which ultimately is what makes using HA such a problematic thing if you need more than the basic options of unmodded core/frontend, and blindly update 
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Ah sorry, I was not aware there were still issues. I use card-mod themes for most styling (fairly extensive though) and only a few direct in card mods. I had no issue with them before or after the update.
as for the backup: I just had to revert a stupid yaml edit I did, and couldnāt undo, because I had closed the editor too soonā¦
had not yet manually saved all of my frontend locally over SMB, so had to lookup last nights backup. Only being reminded of the fact that these backups donāt have user-friendly namesā¦
it would be so helpful if these would get the same names as in the UI, albeit with the date appended
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