I’m with you up to this point. Of course I’m a big enough boy to figure out a way to make an unencrypted backup, even if it is now more complicated than just un-checking a box. And that’s what I’ll do once I install 2025.1.x in a couple of weeks.
But what’s being said by the dev team, and more important, what’s not being said, makes me wonder how long these options will remain available.
Reading between the lines, it looks like the goal is to put the entire backup process in a “black box” which is invisible to the user, with no option to choose unencrypted files.
All those add-ons, commands and actions use built-in HA backup functionality. How long will the “unencrypted” option remain available in those? I keep reading about a “road map” and seeing things which imply these decisions have already been taken.
There has been no mention of deprecating any of the hassio service calls, there hasn’t even been a hint of that. At this point, it’s people just starting rumors. The only phrase that has been said about deprecating anything, is a potential deprectation of behind the services (not to be confused with HA Actions/Services) that addons use to create backups, and that deprecation will only occur when a replacement service is provided. And that’s directly from the quote when I asked a question during beta.
I’ll quote it again if you missed it:
However, for the future it is a goal to eventually deprecate those handlers when replacement targets/integrations are available in Home Assistant
I.e. the take away from this comment is: There will be a replacement if/when those tools are deprecated. People have been cherry picking the first half of that statement without reading the second half, and it’s spiraled into this “They will remove everything in the future” rumor.
Here is the exact link in discord to my question that started the rumor to begin with:
Thank you. I truly hope you’re correct. It’s easy to misinterpret things when so little specific detail has been offered.
Some of the things which have been said seem to imply that a decision has been taken that encryption is necessary for everyone. There has been no response, in over 600 posts in that other thread, which says unequivocally that an unencrypted option will remain. So people try to read between the lines, and maybe read too much into each word.
Of course I tried it before asking, but am not able to delete dedicated backups, e.g. only the NC one from the last backup run. So this is not possible?
in the release party they showed the last backup automatically being uploaded after deleting the one on NC, but that doesn’t seem to be the case for me.
Either I misunderstood or something is not working,
But is doesn’t seem to stay at NC
Edit:
created a new backup and It’s uploaded to NC again
I wanted to know, how to only delete either or from the last backup run
So either delete only the local one or (esp) delete only the one uploaded to NC. And leave the other not deleted.
I only wanted to know, how this is possible.
… without deleting both and creating a new one with another option/selection (because then it is not the content from the run before anymore). Or file system upload/download or …
So something like a “delete this source” in this three-dot menu area when I’m selecting the backup. or whatever else:
As far as I understand it’s not possible for now, but I also understand they are still planning to improve this feature,
Let’s check what happens if I hit the delete button from the NC account,
I just want to know.
Good to know, there is no conformation box, it’s just “delete” and it’s gone.
I don’t see any trace of this new backup system. No wizard, no menu to enable it or anything. Does the installed samba backup add-on prevent the new system from even showing up?
ctrl + F5
or command + F5 I think
And then go to settings/system/backup
I don’t think an add-on can block this as addo-ns are in sepate containers.
maybe an integration can
The main method was changed - manual creation of unencrypted backups from the Backups Settings UI is impossible now.
Indeed, it appears that I was misled by @petro 's post here:
Backups and restores were not changed. Just an automated gui was added, it happens to only allow encrypted backups.
I had to go back and test, and, indeed, manual backups are encrypted. So… yeah… we’re back to “make it optional, and give us an offline decryption tool”
