For example if you dim the lights below 50% and then turn them off via HA or the push button and then try and turn them back on the switch turns on but the lights do not come on till you set the brightness to more than 50%. This only seems to be a problem with my Birghtgreen D700+ LEDs so have asked BrightGreen if its something to do with their lights. As my LED strips I have connected to the Dimmers work fine.
I purchased 2 x Clipsal CLP599WSA smoke alarms, they have zigbee but when adding them through zigbee2mqtt it comes up unsupported, is there a way to have them supported, or do I need to buy the hub and have them run through there?
Integrates very well in Z2MQTT, can control all options you can in the wiser app, including what the button backlight behaviour is.
I’ve recently switched to ZHA and they are detected and work there too but I can no longer change the button backlight behaviour (that I can see, anyway).
Electricians just finished replacing all my smart globes with Wiser dimmer modules and switch modules for fans / non-dimmable lights.
I used the modules as I have architrave switches and the mechanisms would not fit. The modules are in the roof in most places. Also the Iconic mechanisms would not match the rest of the house.
Everything is working really well using zigbee2mqtt.
Only had one switch module that would not switch out of Bluetooth mode. Had to get the state rep to use the old Wiser app to update the module. There was no update available in the new app.
Also speaking with him he mentioned that matter is at least a year away and will not work with their existing hubs. So consider that if matter is important to you and you are considering a hub purchase.
HI Simon - would you be open to sharing more details on how you connected the PDL Wiser items in? I have an out of the box Home Assistant Yellow (with ZHA and I am not using a SkyConnect). Im struggling to find details on how to integrate PDL Wiser in to HA… any comments would be amazing. Thanks!
Hey Andrew. Sure thing! Im only using them as smart switches, so they are only wired into power, get there is nothing else connected to them. Make sure you get the zigbee default ones. You can get BT default ones, but then you have an added step to change them to zigbee.
Skip to “Pairing Zigbee device manually”, Short press the push-button 3 times, the LED will block orange. At this point they showed up in a ZHA search and added them to HA.
I seem to remember I needed to reset a couple of them. There is a Resetting the device manually section. in the guide for that.
FYI - The ones I was using are ZIGBEE PDL356PB2MBTZ-VW BUTTON SWITCH MODULE 2AX WITH , however - they have developed a noise when off and on. Like a slight high pitched electrical hum. I touched based with PDL (wiser here in NZ) and they said that with some loads this can happen, they have replaced under warranty with 1PDL356PB10MBTZ-VW - PDL WISER ICONIC PUSH-BUTTON SWITCH MODULE 10AX WITH ZIGBEE.
Hi Folks, I’m in the process of replacing a number of bricked Shelly 2.5’s with Clipsal Wiser Modules + Iconic Switches throughout the house.
Was keen to understand the following before sinking in with a huge investment
Does anyone know if they can operate in a fail safe mode? I.e if the relay/contactor behind them breaks for some reason in the future, will I be able to control them manually via the physical Iconic switch? Whist one may think the answer for all relays should be yes, I’m living through the pain of multiple Shelly’s completely bricked out & not working that way - so they leave the loads permanently on (they can only be turned off via the circuit breaker!), so want to be sure before I sink a huge investment into this…Getting conflicted advice from other forums v/s electricians who are quoting me for the job…
I’m also deciding if I need the Wiser Hub…Do we know if the Hub can co-exist with other Zigbee Controllers like the Conbee Stick? I’d like to use Conbee (via ZHA/zigbee2mqtt) + HomeAssistant for advanced automations and have the Wiser Hub offer a backup/simpler control mechanism via the Wiser App for family. Is this a supported configuration?
For a Large double storey house can I use multiple 3rd party repeaters? Like the PoE based coordinator linked above like tubeszb.com? Also, do any of the modules come with an external Zigbee antenna that can be placed/stuck underneath the switch plate for better reception (as the modules will be in walls)
Any other comments on reliability of these modules? It’s a shame Clipsal is only offering a 1 yr warranty on these
Unlikely. If the device fails it has no way to control the light. You do still have physical control if the zigbee network is down for whatever reason though.
You really don’t need a hub. Zigbee2MQTT works perfectly with a Tubes PoE coordinator (ZHA probably too, but I have not tried it). OTA updates for the devices work. You can make very simple HA dashboards for your family.
May not be needed, depending on how many switches you replace. The switches/dimmers are repeaters. If you have a lot of them they will create a well meshed network. None come with external antennas as far as I know. I have a large two story house and other than a stuff up (by me) initially choosing a zigbee channel that interfered with my wifi have had no connection issues.
Don’t get the dimmer pucks. Get the mechanisms. The dimmer pucks are 2-wire (no neutral) and flash/pulse randomly 3-4 times when dimmed to any level. I tried all sorts of things to solve this. I used Clipsal branded downlights - so should be no compatibility issues. I tried their load correction device, it did not help. Replacing the no neutral pucks with mechanisms that have a neutral worked perfectly. Non-dimming switch only pucks do have a neutral and work fine.
Apologies, I must have not worded my question correctly…I was looking for the ability to physically turn the lights on/off in the event the modules fail via the physical switch. Can I still do that if Zigbee network or the module’s Zigbee breaks for some reason?
Noted thanks…was not sure if Clipsal mandated it for support/warranty but being able to update firmware via Z2M is compelling…
Noted…thanks. Noob question - I do have smart Zigbee downlights throughout as well. So if I went with their standard Wiser switch mechs, assume I can control dimming at the lights itself?
New question - The Shelly’s used to be able to operate in a ‘detached’ mode allowing for more automation/scene control. Assume Wiser support this as well?
I still don’t understand what you mean by this. If the device fails how can it do anything?
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No you don’t control smart lights with these. They are for control of dumb lights. Your smart lights will go mental if you try to dim them by altering the mains power…
Though I suppose you might be able to permanently wire power to the smart light, not wire the dimmer output to anything and bind the dimmer to the smart light. I’ve never done zigbee binding though so can’t advise you about this.
The electrician said contactors (as present in the wiser mechs) work differently to relays, so in the event the Zigbee radio/smart features go bust, you can still turn on/off the lights via the physical switch. I came here to validate that information as I’m not sure how the internals of the mech works.
Ok, will see if others can chime in. FWIW, the Shelly had a toggle within the app to change the relay into detached mode (I.e continuous provide power to the light, whilst still being able to pass the toggle event eg to a MQTT queue). I’ll investigate how Zigbee binding works
If the smarts die it should still work normally, but that would be a partial failure rather than a full failure. The likihood of this…? Who knows. Odd’s are the whole thing would fail.
You previously mentioned the switch part failing… do you mean the bit you turn to adjust the brightness? If that fails then you are obviously going to have the rely on the Zigbee side of things to control the light.
I was actually referring to the Mech part which houses the Zigbee and the smarts. The electrician mentioned that it maintains a seperate physical connection to the load so it should continue to perform as a regular dumb switch. So based on your response above I hope that is true?
I completely acknowledge that the physical mechanism (I think they are called Dolly’s?) are subject to wear and tear (I’m replacing a whole bunch of Clipsal Saturn Zens as they are mushy and don’t work reliably for this reason) & could also fail in which case they would need to be replaced as well, but hopefully that’s just a DIY job/cheaper thing to do…
Do you know if the Wiser Switches can be setup in ‘detached’ mode? I.e providing continuous power to the loads, but sending Zigbee signals to the co-ordinator to get the smart lights to turn on/off?
For 2 - Just got this up and running with ZHA, no external hub, just into zigbee stick on HA server box. Doesn’t seem to be a way to set the button LED color, but can see status and control the on/off which is all I need. So far so good.
