GE 14294 (and Jasco equivilant) ZWave dimmer double tap (Event on Associaton Group 3) - need config help

Can you share what you “grouped”. I was never able to get it to work.

Anyone know how to differentiate between single and double tap action? They both show up the same in the logs…

Sorry i didn’t log back in. This is what you need to group

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Did you group it with your USB? Then you can use the OZW Log to view the latest logs and you should see the different double presses.

I don’t see that option under Group for “3: Basic - Double Tap” I only see one " Lifeline". Is there something I need to enable to get the Double Tap option.

Edit: I see it on my GE switches, but not my Homeseer one.

This Group 3 is only for certain GE/Jasco switches.

Is there anyway to get the “SwitchBinary report” from these devices? I have the 14292, if it switches from off to on or from on to off I can see 2 distinct switch events in Node Red that say either off or on. However if I press the toggle up and then up again, Node Red does show 2 zwave events (no switch state change events) but the zwave events don’t say if the switch is off or on.

When I look in OZW_Log file it shows the state of the switch no matter how it is toggled (See below). Is there someway to act on this information within Home Assistant/Node Red?

2019-03-14 07:14:28.129 Info, Node010, Received CRC16-command from node 10
2019-03-14 07:14:28.129 Info, Node010, Received SwitchBinary report from node 10: level=On
2019-03-14 07:14:28.129 Detail, Node010, Refreshed Value: old value=false, new value=true, type=bool
2019-03-14 07:14:28.129 Detail, Node010, Changes to this value are not verified
2019-03-14 07:14:28.130 Detail, Node010, Notification: ValueChanged
2019-03-14 07:14:29.748 Detail, Node010, Received: 0x01, 0x0d, 0x00, 0x04, 0x00, 0x0a, 0x07, 0x56, 0x01, 0x25, 0x03, 0xff, 0x79, 0x58, 0x54
2019-03-14 07:14:29.748 Detail,
2019-03-14 07:14:29.748 Info, Node010, Received CRC16-command from node 10
2019-03-14 07:14:29.748 Info, Node010, Received SwitchBinary report from node 10: level=On
2019-03-14 07:14:29.748 Detail, Node010, Refreshed Value: old value=true, new value=true, type=bool
2019-03-14 07:14:29.748 Detail, Node010, Changes to this value are not verified
2019-03-14 07:14:29.748 Detail, Node010, Notification: ValueChanged
2019-03-14 07:14:31.854 Detail, Node010, Received: 0x01, 0x17, 0x00, 0x49, 0x84, 0x0a, 0x11, 0x04, 0x10, 0x01, 0x5e, 0x56, 0x86, 0x72, 0x5a, 0x85, 0x59, 0x73, 0x25, 0x27, 0x30, 0x2c, 0x2b, 0x7a, 0x6d

I think homeseer supports the double tab and has a tutorial on how to set it up using home assistant. Go to the downloads section

Thanks for this - works great on my GE Smart Motion Switch. I have it setup to run a script that disabled the timeout duration on my GE Smart Motion Switch in the garage when I double tap on twice, and sets the timeout duration back to 5 minutes when I double tap off twice.

For anyone trying to setup this from the automation UI, here’s a screenshot of what I did. Two highlights are making sure you’re not putting quotes around the value of basic_level since you need to return an Integer, not a String. Secondly, make sure the entity_id is for your actual zwave device, not the switch.

Awesome. Found out today I have 5 or 6 switches and dimmers with this capability. Weirdly enough, my zwave plus motion dimmers/switches do not have the double tap as a group 3 option

Does your smart motion switch show group 3 as double tap? My group 2 and group 3 show as “basic set”

Yeah it’s called “Basic set buttons” on mine. The weird part is, it’s triggering even if I single tap the on or off switch, so something is not right. Perhaps this GE switch doesn’t support the double tap, and it’s just associating a single tap?

Hm, it’s triggering even when the light turns on automatically via motion. Does anyone know if you’re able to run in occupancy mode with this switch and still support the double tap feature?

Not every GE switches support double tap associations. The smart motion switch appears to be one of them. The manual (for the 26931) says:

This device supports Association Command Class (3 Groups)

  • Association Group 1 supports Lifeline, Binary Switch Report
  • Association Group 2 supports Basic Set and is controlled with the local load
  • Association Group 3 supports Basic Set and is controlled by pressing the On or Off button
  • Each Association Group supports 5 total nodes

I’m not sure the difference between 2 and 3 (I don’t have the switch). Does one distinguish between motion turning on the load, vs. button presses?

Ah damn, well that’s too bad. Appreciate the info.

I tried associating it to group 2 only but it appears to still trigger on with motion and the switch.

Is there anyway to parse this line from owz “Node004, Received SwitchBinary report from node 4: level=Off” so that I can create automations for single and double tap events? I have doubletap automations working but I would like to control things with single tap too, specifically when single tap up is pressed if the switch is already “on”.

I have the double tap working on my 14295 In-Wall Smart Toggle Dimmer. When I try this with the GE 26933 it doesn’t work. Can you shed some light on how you got yours working?

In case it is of any use to anyone, the double tap on addon switches (12723) doesn’t seem to work when paired with the 14299 incandescent only, no neutral dimmer. The 14299 dimmer itself works fine with the double tap, just not the addon switches paired to it. Works fine when paired with the 14294 dimmer.

I had the same question as you and ended up doing this by tailing the OZW_Log file then looking for both the double tap commands and the single tap commands.

Example Double Tap
Node010, Received Basic set from node 10: level=255

Example Single Tap
Node010, Received SwitchBinary report from node 10: level=On

I think that the “SwitchBinary” command does not show up on the event log in HA, which is why you need to tail the OZW_Log file.

It seems a bit hack-y but it actually works well, the lights respond pretty quickly and I haven’t seen too many hickups.

Has anyone on this thread tested out OpenZWave integration with the double tap feature? I am planning on transitioning to the OpenZWave docker container to take advantage of the new integration this way I can separate my stuff from my HA instance to my unraid server as it is a more powerful machine and I want it all in one place, however, double tap is heavily used in my household.

No, it doesn’t work. Questionable if it will be supported. https://github.com/OpenZWave/qt-openzwave/issues/60