Honeywell CH/DHW via RF - evohome, sundial, hometronics, chronotherm

freekeys · December 17, 2021, 7:12am

Thanks! Anyone doing anything to correct overshooting? I find some of my rooms overshoot a lot via native Evohome - wondering if you’re doing anything around trend sensors etc to sense the temperature climbing and switch off early?

Alco80 · December 18, 2021, 12:03am

After the lasted update evohome doesn’t recieve updates any more after some time (few hours), it slow get worse and worse.
The only error i can find in the log is next one :

2021-12-18 00:48:36 WARNING (MainThread) [ramses_rf.protocol.transport] PktProtocolQos.send_data(sent=30C9|RQ|01:085674|02): boff=3, want=30C9|RQ|01:085674|02, tout=2021-12-18T00:48:36.646: QoS: IS_EXPIRED (giving up) (2/2)

Which is the main controller … ?

Any clue ? the previous version was running very stable.
Running the lastest HA, Latest RamsRF, and using HGI80

Version 16.26 gives a simulair error but works with out isseus

2021-12-18 01:23:17 WARNING (MainThread) [ramses_rf.protocol.transport] PktProtocolQos.send_data(sent=3220|RQ|10:062498|1B): boff=0, want=3220|RP|10:062498|1B, tout=2021-12-18T01:23:17.753: QoS: IS_EXPIRED (giving up) (0/0)

Update : 16.26 files now also after a couple of hours …
Updating back to 16.30 and let’s see.
The packet showes a sudden stop, no strange things there.
Other logs show only above message.

Can i setup a more detail logging ot find out what is going on / look some where else ?

The pakket log seems normal and it look like it is working again
I noticed 1 other strange thing, 1 room the heat demand showes “unavailble” other show up.

The log gives continuesly this error now :

2021-12-18 12:16:26 WARNING (MainThread) [ramses_rf.protocol.transport] PktProtocolQos.send_data(sent=3220|RQ|10:062498|00): boff=0, want=3220|RP|10:062498|00, tout=2021-12-18T12:16:26.149: QoS: IS_EXPIRED (giving up) (0/0)
2021-12-18 12:16:26 WARNING (MainThread) [ramses_rf.protocol.transport] PktProtocolQos.send_data(sent=3220|RQ|10:062498|01): boff=0, want=3220|RP|10:062498|01, tout=2021-12-18T12:16:26.255: QoS: IS_EXPIRED (giving up) (0/0)
2021-12-18 12:16:26 WARNING (MainThread) [ramses_rf.protocol.transport] PktProtocolQos.send_data(sent=3220|RQ|10:062498|11): boff=0, want=3220|RP|10:062498|11, tout=2021-12-18T12:16:26.363: QoS: IS_EXPIRED (giving up) (0/0)
2021-12-18 12:16:26 WARNING (MainThread) [ramses_rf.protocol.transport] PktProtocolQos.send_data(sent=3220|RQ|10:062498|12): boff=0, want=3220|RP|10:062498|12, tout=2021-12-18T12:16:26.468: QoS: IS_EXPIRED (giving up) (0/0)
2021-12-18 12:16:26 WARNING (MainThread) [ramses_rf.protocol.transport] PktProtocolQos.send_data(sent=3220|RQ|10:062498|13): boff=0, want=3220|RP|10:062498|13, tout=2021-12-18T12:16:26.575: QoS: IS_EXPIRED (giving up) (0/0)
2021-12-18 12:16:26 WARNING (MainThread) [ramses_rf.protocol.transport] PktProtocolQos.send_data(sent=3220|RQ|10:062498|19): boff=0, want=3220|RP|10:062498|19, tout=2021-12-18T12:16:26.679: QoS: IS_EXPIRED (giving up) (0/0)
2021-12-18 12:16:26 WARNING (MainThread) [ramses_rf.protocol.transport] PktProtocolQos.send_data(sent=3220|RQ|10:062498|1A): boff=0, want=3220|RP|10:062498|1A, tout=2021-12-18T12:16:26.782: QoS: IS_EXPIRED (giving up) (0/0)
2021-12-18 12:16:26 WARNING (MainThread) [ramses_rf.protocol.transport] PktProtocolQos.send_data(sent=3220|RQ|10:062498|1B): boff=0, want=3220|RP|10:062498|1B, tout=2021-12-18T12:16:26.889: QoS: IS_EXPIRED (giving up) (0/0)
2021-12-18 12:17:26 WARNING (MainThread) [ramses_rf.protocol.transport] PktProtocolQos.send_data(sent=3220|RQ|10:062498|00): boff=0, want=3220|RP|10:062498|00, tout=2021-12-18T12:17:26.161: QoS: IS_EXPIRED (giving up) (0/0)
2021-12-18 12:17:26 WARNING (MainThread) [ramses_rf.protocol.transport] PktProtocolQos.send_data(sent=3220|RQ|10:062498|01): boff=0, want=3220|RP|10:062498|01, tout=2021-12-18T12:17:26.266: QoS: IS_EXPIRED (giving up) (0/0)
2021-12-18 12:17:26 WARNING (MainThread) [ramses_rf.protocol.transport] PktProtocolQos.send_data(sent=3220|RQ|10:062498|11): boff=0, want=3220|RP|10:062498|11, tout=2021-12-18T12:17:26.372: QoS: IS_EXPIRED (giving up) (0/0)
2021-12-18 12:17:26 WARNING (MainThread) [ramses_rf.protocol.transport] PktProtocolQos.send_data(sent=3220|RQ|10:062498|12): boff=0, want=3220|RP|10:062498|12, tout=2021-12-18T12:17:26.478: QoS: IS_EXPIRED (giving up) (0/0)
2021-12-18 12:17:26 WARNING (MainThread) [ramses_rf.protocol.transport] PktProtocolQos.send_data(sent=3220|RQ|10:062498|13): boff=0, want=3220|RP|10:062498|13, tout=2021-12-18T12:17:26.585: QoS: IS_EXPIRED (giving up) (0/0)
2021-12-18 12:17:26 WARNING (MainThread) [ramses_rf.protocol.transport] PktProtocolQos.send_data(sent=3220|RQ|10:062498|19): boff=0, want=3220|RP|10:062498|19, tout=2021-12-18T12:17:26.690: QoS: IS_EXPIRED (giving up) (0/0)
2021-12-18 12:17:26 WARNING (MainThread) [ramses_rf.protocol.transport] PktProtocolQos.send_data(sent=3220|RQ|10:062498|1A): boff=0, want=3220|RP|10:062498|1A, tout=2021-12-18T12:17:26.799: QoS: IS_EXPIRED (giving up) (0/0)
2021-12-18 12:17:26 WARNING (MainThread) [ramses_rf.protocol.transport] PktProtocolQos.send_data(sent=3220|RQ|10:062498|1B): boff=0, want=3220|RP|10:062498|1B, tout=2021-12-18T12:17:26.906: QoS: IS_EXPIRED (giving up) (0/0)
2021-12-18 12:18:26 WARNING (MainThread) [ramses_rf.protocol.transport] PktProtocolQos.send_data(sent=3220|RQ|10:062498|00): boff=0, want=3220|RP|10:062498|00, tout=2021-12-18T12:18:26.147: QoS: IS_EXPIRED (giving up) (0/0)
2021-12-18 12:18:26 WARNING (MainThread) [ramses_rf.protocol.transport] PktProtocolQos.send_data(sent=3220|RQ|10:062498|01): boff=0, want=3220|RP|10:062498|01, tout=2021-12-18T12:18:26.256: QoS: IS_EXPIRED (giving up) (0/0)
2021-12-18 12:18:26 WARNING (MainThread) [ramses_rf.protocol.transport] PktProtocolQos.send_data(sent=3220|RQ|10:062498|12): boff=0, want=3220|RP|10:062498|12, tout=2021-12-18T12:18:26.363: QoS: IS_EXPIRED (giving up) (0/0)
2021-12-18 12:18:26 WARNING (MainThread) [ramses_rf.protocol.transport] PktProtocolQos.send_data(sent=3220|RQ|10:062498|19): boff=0, want=3220|RP|10:062498|19, tout=2021-12-18T12:18:26.467: QoS: IS_EXPIRED (giving up) (0/0)
2021-12-18 12:18:26 WARNING (MainThread) [ramses_rf.protocol.transport] PktProtocolQos.send_data(sent=3220|RQ|10:062498|1B): boff=0, want=3220|RP|10:062498|1B, tout=2021-12-18T12:18:26.576: QoS: IS_EXPIRED (giving up) (0/0)
2021-12-18 12:19:26 WARNING (MainThread) [ramses_rf.protocol.transport] PktProtocolQos.send_data(sent=3220|RQ|10:062498|01): boff=0, want=3220|RP|10:062498|01, tout=2021-12-18T12:19:26.207: QoS: IS_EXPIRED (giving up) (0/0)
2021-12-18 12:19:26 WARNING (MainThread) [ramses_rf.protocol.transport] PktProtocolQos.send_data(sent=3220|RQ|10:062498|12): boff=0, want=3220|RP|10:062498|12, tout=2021-12-18T12:19:26.313: QoS: IS_EXPIRED (giving up) (0/0)
2021-12-18 12:19:26 WARNING (MainThread) [ramses_rf.protocol.transport] PktProtocolQos.send_data(sent=3220|RQ|10:062498|19): boff=0, want=3220|RP|10:062498|19, tout=2021-12-18T12:19:26.417: QoS: IS_EXPIRED (giving up) (0/0)
2021-12-18 12:19:26 WARNING (MainThread) [ramses_rf.protocol.transport] PktProtocolQos.send_data(sent=3220|RQ|10:062498|1B): boff=0, want=3220|RP|10:062498|1B, tout=2021-12-18T12:19:26.521: QoS: IS_EXPIRED (giving up) (0/0)
2021-12-18 12:20:26 WARNING (MainThread) [ramses_rf.protocol.transport] PktProtocolQos.send_data(sent=3220|RQ|10:062498|01): boff=0, want=3220|RP|10:062498|01, tout=2021-12-18T12:20:26.241: QoS: IS_EXPIRED (giving up) (0/0)
2021-12-18 12:20:26 WARNING (MainThread) [ramses_rf.protocol.transport] PktProtocolQos.send_data(sent=3220|RQ|10:062498|12): boff=0, want=3220|RP|10:062498|12, tout=2021-12-18T12:20:26.347: QoS: IS_EXPIRED (giving up) (0/0)
2021-12-18 12:20:26 WARNING (MainThread) [ramses_rf.protocol.transport] PktProtocolQos.send_data(sent=3220|RQ|10:062498|19): boff=0, want=3220|RP|10:062498|19, tout=2021-12-18T12:20:26.452: QoS: IS_EXPIRED (giving up) (0/0)
2021-12-18 12:20:26 WARNING (MainThread) [ramses_rf.protocol.transport] PktProtocolQos.send_data(sent=3220|RQ|10:062498|1B): boff=0, want=3220|RP|10:062498|1B, tout=2021-12-18T12:20:26.555: QoS: IS_EXPIRED (giving up) (0/0)

zxdavb · December 18, 2021, 2:10pm

I’d say what has happened is that you’ve blown the RF duty cycle on the HGI80 (evofw3 devices don’t suffer from this issue).

If I am right, the system simply won’t transmit, but there’s no way of knowing this specifically: you will simply see what you’re describing.

This can happen if you restart HA a few times in a short period of time, and especially so if you are not using the restore_state cache.

The only thing you can do is power off ( the HGI80 and then restart HA.

Alco80 · December 18, 2021, 11:18pm

Rebooting hgi80 and HA, power whole system down, take adapter out wait 1 minute, doesn’t work isseu Stay same. As long it is running i can set temperature, the main controller Will show the updates and demand Will update, so the hgi80 transmit ?

zxdavb · December 20, 2021, 9:13am

This is coming soon:

zxdavb · December 20, 2021, 9:16am

If you can set the temperature by evohome_cc, then the HGI80 must be transmitting OK.

OK, let’s reset…

What is the issue you want resolving? Many of the HA log errors can be ignored.

Do you get the same behavior on 0.16.26 and 0.16.30?

zxdavb · December 21, 2021, 10:55am

Version 0.17.0 has been released as a pre-release. It exposes boiler state flags.

I need people with OpenTherm bridges (R8810A, R8820A), or the new BDR91T relays (specifically if connected to a heat pump, or being used for cooling).

It may be that your system doesn’t expose all flags - YMMV.

The Latest Stable release remains available if things go wrong.

BuSab · December 21, 2021, 12:33pm

Due to a suspected plumbing issues I have, for the time being, re-configured a zone that was previously an “Electric” type to “Zone Valve”. (Although previously configured as electric, it is actually a zone valve which switches the boiler via the orange wire independently of the main circuit; I’ve now set it as a Zone Valve zone so that the main circuit’s BDR also comes on at the same time.) I re-built my schema after doing this.

Like with the electric zone I see the following warnings in the log:

RQ --- 18:204306 01:225826 --:------ 0008 001 08 < Corrupt packet: Invalid verb/code for 01:225826 to Rx: RQ/0008

and

PktProtocolQos.send_data(sent=0008|RQ|01:225826|08): boff=3, want=0008|RP|01:225826|08, tout=2021-12-21T10:30:06.810: QoS: IS_EXPIRED (giving up) (2/2)

(Note, the zone in question is Zone 08, which I guess is what the payload is referring to.)

The packet log confirms that the following RQ packets are sent to the controller with no response:

2021-12-21T10:30:04.728182 000 RQ --- 18:204306 01:225826 --:------ 0008 001 08
2021-12-21T10:30:04.833085 000 RQ --- 18:204306 01:225826 --:------ 0008 001 08
2021-12-21T10:30:05.233128 000 RQ --- 18:204306 01:225826 --:------ 0008 001 08

The following 0008 packets (sent to zone 08’s BDR with 00 message code) do get responded to:

2021-12-21T10:30:12.726093 000 RQ --- 18:204306 13:076092 --:------ 0008 001 00
2021-12-21T10:30:12.736138 048 RP --- 13:076092 18:204306 --:------ 0008 002 0000

As do those sent to the boiler relay BDR:

2021-12-21T10:30:16.802777 000 RQ --- 18:204306 13:032648 --:------ 0008 001 00
2021-12-21T10:30:16.813626 041 RP --- 13:032648 18:204306 --:------ 0008 002 006A

Bug, or something to be ignored? It looks like a bad query is being sent to the controller for the Zone Valve/Electric zone types, which the controller consistently ignores.

This is version 0.16.30.

Cinamon · December 21, 2021, 1:44pm

Just updated! I will keep you posted!

bluediamond84 · December 21, 2021, 6:37pm

Not related to the latest update, but looks like there is a typo in the name of the service evohome_cc.set_zone_config. It shows “RAMSES RF: Reset a zone’s config” and should be Set

phdelodder · December 21, 2021, 7:02pm

The window and battery state of version 0.17.0 are unavailable.

it has been running for about 8hours

Config:

evohome_cc:
  serial_port: /dev/ttyUSB0
  scan_interval: 60
  packet_log: /config/evohome_cc_packet.log
  ramses_rf:
    enforce_known_list: true
  schema:
    controller: 01:223036
    system:
      heating_control: 10:040239
  restore_state: true
  known_list:
    - 01:223036
    - 10:040239
    - 04:231770
    - 04:231772
    - 04:231774
    - 04:231776
    - 04:050559
    - 04:155445
    - 04:155403
    - 04:081849
    - 04:155443
    - 04:155407
    - 04:155551
    - 04:155533
    - 04:155537

zxdavb · December 21, 2021, 10:01pm

Sorted - thanks.

zxdavb · December 21, 2021, 10:03pm

Anyone else have this issue? These packets don’t come that often, so I’d reboot HA & give it 24 hours.

Alco80 · December 21, 2021, 10:38pm

It seems to stabilize … the time that it fails becomes longer and longer (from 1 1/2 hour… to 4 hours, to half day, then 1 item dropped (heat_demand), which was the first indicator that in ~ 30 minutes all would be not available, now recoverd …
So now it is running stable for 1.5 day.

The issue was the same but the error was different :
16:26 :

2021-12-18 00:48:36 WARNING (MainThread) [ramses_rf.protocol.transport] PktProtocolQos.send_data(sent=30C9|RQ|01:085674|02): boff=3, want=30C9|RQ|01:085674|02, tout=2021-12-18T00:48:36.646: QoS: IS_EXPIRED (giving up) (2/2)

vs

16:30

2021-12-18 01:23:17 WARNING (MainThread) [ramses_rf.protocol.transport] PktProtocolQos.send_data(sent=3220|RQ|10:062498|1B): boff=0, want=3220|RP|10:062498|1B, tout=2021-12-18T01:23:17.753: QoS: IS_EXPIRED (giving up) (0/0)

This error shows up ever ~ 30 seconds in the log…
which is still the case…
In case of 10 i could understand something, since it is heating for module “10” (opentherm) is disabled.
I use a heatpump in “WAR” and use currently evo only as rooms temperature controller

stevieb12345 · December 22, 2021, 5:43am

Mine have been unavailable after updating yesterday morning. Tried a restart and I’ll give it a little longer.

bluediamond84 · December 22, 2021, 10:31am

I had renamed the entity_id of the battery state sensors. After updated to 0.17.0 these old sensors didn’t work but there a new sensors created for the battery state. They have the original generated entity_id name and these works immediately.

Battery state is now getting faster than before even from the room sensor most far away.

bluediamond84 · December 22, 2021, 11:06am

Get this warning even the 13:147080 is added to the known_list in my configuration file. I have found this same warning also in my 24-hour log of 0.16.24.

2021-12-22 11:45:16 WARNING (MainThread) [ramses_rf.protocol.transport] Blocking packets with device_id: 13:147080 (is not whitelisted), if required, add it to the known_list

phdelodder · December 22, 2021, 11:57am

After 24hours it remains the same no window or battery state.

Logs

stevieb12345 · December 22, 2021, 12:44pm

I’ve just checked and also have new sensors.

phdelodder · December 22, 2021, 12:58pm

Could you share an example? Perhapse I’m looking in the wrong place

So binary_sensor.04_155533_window changed to binary_sensor.04_155533_window_open

So binary_sensor.04_155403_battery changed binary_sensor.04_155403_battery_low

@zxdavb it solved, apparently it’s renamed