Is the Z2M the only way? I have ZHA and I tried this when I read the post earlier and my Zigbee controller didn’t see an unpaired bulb.
Depending on how you removed it from the Hue bridge, you might need to factory reset it. The easiest way is to use a Hue Dimmer. Power toggle the bulb and then press both the top-most and bottom-most button of the dimmer at the same time, for about 10 seconds, in close proximity to the bulb (approximately 10 cm or so), until the LED in the dimmer turns green and the bulb flashes a few times.
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When you move from hub to zigbee are you able to create rooms and zones etc same as the hub? This was a great option. Rooms where bulbs are in and zones to combine bulbs from different rooms. And is it with zigbee also same speed of reaction time?
You will loose not much by moving. Yes: some apps will no longer work, but you will still be able to switch lights on and off and determine their colour. It’s truest a shame Signify opted for this dark direction.
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Philips is truely trying to bring the hate of users upon them. I don’t care, the hue bridge will just disappear from the home net and all lights will be returned due to faults.
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Compared to the full Hue experience any zigbee solution we have in HA is a bare metal products. It’s like the poster above said: you can still turn /off lights…
So, imho, not even close to what Hue offers. And yes, I’ve have most systems running in my production system. Hue Tradfri, HomeKit, Skyconnect .
Btw, I honestly wonder if all the ranters here don’t use Facebook, iCloud, OneDrive Google assist, Alexa,Spotify…… either.
Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t complain ofc. We should and HA already did.
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Actually it’s a good question. But the fact that so many companies do the same thing makes me suspect that (1) it’s not against the law, (2) the law isn’t enforced, or (3) these companies had their lawyers bury some legal clause deep in the fine print of their long-winded user agreement which specifically allows them to do anything they want.
I think (3) is the more likely. I loved that South Park episode referenced above.
I started with HA specifically to avoid cloud solutions. I didn’t and wouldn’t buy hardware which required one, so this doesn’t really affect me. I’m curious though about what you can do with Hue controllers that HA can’t do.
Perhaps, but I think it’s difficult to be 100% offline if for no other reason than getting the weather integrated. Aside from weather, Nest and Hue are the only things I have talking to the internet as I actively block all others (and Nest is getting replaced anyway because I hate Google). However, there’s a difference between getting integrated from the cloud and having that provider mine your information (i.e., Google). Yes, we can’t be hypocritical and rant about ALL providers for everything because we still need many online services, but I don’t care to add to their mountain of information on my business use all my home automation use as well.
For me picking the Hue ecosystem because it had a hub with a local API was a key deciding point way back before I started using Home Assistant it even though Hue is more expensive. It’s been a solid system and I’ve never felt any desire to drop the hub and pair them directly to ZHA. I was gladly continuing to pay the premium for Hue products because an account/cloud was not required… but now it feels like I need to reevaluate because once accounts are required it’s always the start of a downward slope until one day for “security” the local API is closed off, the same way requiring an account now claims to “enhance security” somehow.
Obviously not all is lost on the hardware since pairing Hue bulbs directly to HA (and drop the bridge) saves having to replace everything plus honestly I’m probably not going to find too many alternatives for their outdoor products (I have a decent amount of Calla bollards and Lily spots). I’d lose Hue firmware updates without their hub though. I’ve kept Hue as it is with their hub integrating to HA because it works and worked well for me: no reason to change something that’s not broken.
When I saw that notice in the Hue app last week what it did do is prompt me to buy a bunch of Nanoleaf Matter over Thread A19, BR30, and lightstrips to start getting some hands on time with that. And it turns out the Nanoleaf bulbs actually have a higher CRI than Hue does. Of course now I’ve got a situation where I have a Zigbee mesh, a Thread mesh, the Hue zigbee mesh, and a z-wave mesh so maybe the Hue hub should ultimately be phased out if only to reduce the number of wireless meshes.
I always love the statement “for your continued security”. The hackers of the world are hitting everything the corporations of the world are pushing. Stay away from apps that involve the cloud or a corporate account.
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I suggest disabling “Automatic updates” in the Hue app (Settings > Software update > Automatic updates) as well as blocking the Hue bridge MAC address in your router so it cannot connect to the Internet. The local API should still work - just trying to prevent Signify from downgrading the value of the Hue system.
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Success! Here is how I was able to move a Hue bulb to HA in ZHA: open up your Zigbee device in HA and add a new one so it’s in discovery mode, then delete the light from the Hue app and it will show up in about 10 seconds.
I know that sounds simple but I went through a lot of trial and error to get to that. I had a previously deleted bulb that just wouldn’t get discovered by Zigbee no matter what I tried so I added it to the Hue App and immediately deleted it and it finally worked. I haven’t played with it much as native Zigbee but this gives me hope!
I’ve read that it’s in paring mode for a very short time, but that doesn’t seem to be the case when you just turn it on, and perhaps its because mine was paired in its past and a brand new bulb will pair up right away.
It looks like a fast color loop is all you get for effects, so I’ll have to see if theres a blueprint or something for a less spastic color change or create my own. But so far it’s fine.
It’s worth noting that if you try to go to this support contact page with any sort of ad blocker or refuse cookies you can’t use it - just more evidence that tracking is on their mind!
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This is happening to me as well, and I’m using anti-adblocker scripts too
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I just submitted a complaint. I highly encourage everyone to do the same and spam their socials. Bait and switch has to stop.
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As the blog post pointed out, they can sell/share your data, per the privacy policies.
It is still unclear. It would work, for now, but there is no guarantee at this point.
Unfortunately no. Any zigbee bulb (or any zigbee device, FWIW) by design is supposed to talk to one zigbee mesh network. But as CO_4X4 mentioned above, the switch is fairly quick and painless, it seems.
Yes. If you recall, you have areas and zones also natively in Home Assistant.
So while the look and feel of the app is different, and the automations in HA is not the same as in Hue app, one can for sure duplicate the same setup in HA.
I’m really concerned about this, as in my home, a lot of systems rely on the Hue local API, for me, as I have a secondary (ZHA) zigbee network, it would be an easy switch-over in just some minutes, but my family probably will say nope for that as it would take hours to reprogram everything so it works like before, with the “Wake-Up” feature and the Alexa integration being the most critical and the most difficult features at the same time…
Not quite the same setup. Unless HA has the ability to pull off all of the light syncing that you can do in the hue app, all of the fun stuff will be missing.
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Unfortunately the app gui is perfect for wife acceptance and I searched for something similar but it is not there if someone would create a app to control lights on the home assistant api I would happily donate that would actually bring home assistant a big step forward
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