Actually I decided some time ago to keep everything WiFi (i have a VERY strong WiFi network that has been tweaked endlessly), hence the decision. I don’t mean to say Zwave or Zigbee are not useful -
That’s Matter
Gotcha. I have some matter devices as well 
WiFi is my preferred protocol as well. I have almost 100 WiFi clients in my huse and since upgrading to a real router (not the low-bidder stuff from my ISP), I haven’t had a single glitch in my WiFi network. My 35 Zigbee devices are also happy.
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i have been trying, been messing with it for days now, sadly no further forward, i just find it hard to get my head round why you would need hundreds of different accounts half way round the world and back to see my nest stat that is 10 feet away and on the same network , seems a bit of a long way round to do something so simple
That is how big corporate wifi products work.
They are not trying to help you, they want your data.
How are you using this device? How can they target you?
If you want to have local control then you need to purchase products with local control in mind.
ZigBee, Zwave is local only.
Wifi can be local, but more likely not.
There are many, many local wifi devices. You just have to choose carefully. In my house I have Yamaha audio amps, Panasonic TV, Lifx smart lights, Daikin/Faikin climate control and of course many esphome DIY devices that are all local wifi.
Bullshit! They want to reduce or eliminate tech support issues. If they control the firmware, then they don’t have to spend hours trying to understand what you are doing. You can’t show me verified evidence (not a conspiracy theory) of any cloud-based device intentionally hacking a home user’s computer.
That is how the Internet works. This post could easily go through a dozen countries as the Internet Protocol breaks it into a lot of 128-byte packets. Each packet has to-from information in the header and the packet bounces all over the place to find the destination where it is reassembled with other packets.
Nest is a cloud-based device. No way around that.
Data privacy issues aside, the real problem is abandonware. Like what just happened to WeMo. They choose to shut down their servers and all you have is ewaste. Google in particular is famous for doing this.
Buy locally controllable devices.
Correct.
They use computers to do that.
Why would people do such a thing when a computer can find it much easier.
Nope… I can’t. And I have not said they do.
You need to pull down the tin foil hat past your eyes for it to be effective.
I said they want your data. That does not mean they hack your computer. That means they collect data from your usage of the device you purchased from them.
As an example, if you bought a thermostat then they can know what setting is most common.
They can see what is the most common night mode.
Perhaps split it down by region or country.
Then they use this data (still no hacking) to make their thermostats better by suggesting what the most common is.
Have to agree with @Hellis81. YOUR data is the end game. The need and future use of that data varies. The only reason we have been able to turn off some data collection options stem from lawsuits highlighting privacy concerns.
Unfortunately no one reads the fine print anymore and companies are more prone to ask for forgiveness rather than permission.
Just my opinion…
Probably yes, but they don’t have to hack your thermostat to do this when you freely provide all sorts of data yourself. Google any name and you will find a lot of companies offering to deep dive into data that you have already shared. Every time you click on “agree” to the terms of service. Every time you renew your driver’s license. Every marriage license is public record. Every court decision is public record. Every property title is public record. Every birth and death certificate is public record. So worrying about some Chinese company knowing when you set your thermostat to 77°F is laughable.
I may be steering this off course a bit with this.
But i for one don’t have an issue with the data I agree to share with these companies. I can choose to not buy the kit if I don’t want to. I like the fact that companies can get hold of data and either stock or produce products people want. I remember the 70’s and 80’s before this data grabbing happened and how things were then.
What I do not like about this cloud based stuff that is locked down to a company is the fact they can stop it working when ever they want. I for one would most unhappy if I paid a few hundred quid for a thermostat and after 2 years they decided not to support it any more. A number of companies have done this already. I fear a lot more will go towards stopping the product working or changing the to subscription based model.
I for one will be sticking with local hardware, and preparing for the likes of google and amazon to become subscription based.