[Solved with a trigger-based template binary sensor) Trigger when a value (temp) rises again (after having dropped)

[Nick4 (Nick)]

Using a threshold is not what I need but as the title says: I’m looking for a way to use a trigger when the temperature rises again after it has been dropping.

[Didgeridrew]

The gradient attribute of a Trend sensor returns a negative value while the source sensor’s value is falling and a positive when rising. Depending on the source, it’s may need some smoothing to get a reliable output that could be used with a numeric state trigger.

[LiQuid_cOOled]

Not exactly the same, but a similar topic

Node-Red Turn on light when humidity increases by an percentage from it's current state

I create an average humidity sensor for all sensors in my house except the bathrooms. The trigger is then compared to the average, rather than an absolute value. Though I use a template binary sensor for this you could just use template triggers. template: - binary_sensor: - name: "Bathroom Fan Required" unique_id: c084adc7-4105-4a32-8f71-dfc7745e88e6 icon: "mdi:fan-alert" state: > {% if states('sensor.bathroom_humidity')|float(0) > states('sensor.aver…

[armedad]

I didn’t see how to quite do that with trend. I could be missing something.
but shouldn’t be hard to create a sensor.

trigger on temp change. pseudo for the
value of sensor something like:

   if trigger.to_state.state - trigger.from_state.state >0
        If this.state == 'falling' or 'local_maxima'
              'local_minima'
        else 
               'rising'
   else if trigger.to_state.state - trigger.from_state.state < 0
        If this.state == 'rising' or 'local_minima'
              'local_maxima'
        else 
               'falling'
    else
         state.state

trigger on local_minima

[Troon]

Set up a trigger-based template binary sensor:

template:
  - trigger:
      - platform: state
        entity_id: sensor.temp_sensor
    binary_sensor:
      - name: "Temperature rising"
        state: "{{ trigger.to_state.state|float > trigger.from_state.state|float }}"

then your automation can trigger off a simple state change of that binary sensor from off to on. That’s similar to what you do with a Trend sensor, triggering off a change form negative to positive gradient.

That relies on your temperature sensor not going unavailable or unknown — put another “shield” template sensor in front of it if that is a risk.

The new template binary sensor will be unknown until the source temperature sensor sends its first new (different from previous) reading.

[finity]

You can also use a derivative sensor to get the rate of change of the temperature.

if the temp is decreasing the derivative is negative. If increasing the derivative is positive. you could use the state of the derivative in comparison to 0 to trigger an automation.

trigger:
  - platform: numeric_state
    entity_id: sensor.your_sensor
    above: 0

be aware that the derivative sensor is slightly faulty in the way it works since it will never have a value of 0. There’s an open issue and AFAIK it hasn’t been fixed. (not that you asked about a flat temperature trend but just wanted to throw it out there just in case)