Or you can try using GitHub - hugobloem/stateful_scenes: Stateful Scenes in Home Assistant (Home Kit scene compatible)
which intends to create this feature - like it did in the past, though i suspect, the same issues around rounding etc. may be an issue.
Hi,
The integration does check for rounding and has a tolerance value to work around this.
My automations update a helper called room_last_scene_set and then my automations can determine their actions based on the helper or if the light group is actually off.
motion → lights off → activate scene walk-in, update helper
motion → lights on → is last scene activated walk-in → extend the motion timer.
motion → lights on → is another scene active → ignore the motion
motion timer expired → is last scene activated still walk-in → then turn off the lights.
light dimmer switch → set scene and update helper
I wonder if it was possible to…
I never had the need for that feature, but I think it should be easy to use a template switch for each scene that you want to have a state:
turn_on action = activate scene
value_template = a template, that checks all the single states if they are in a certain range
e.g. light.a brightness get set to 70% by the scene => check in the template if it’s beween 68 and 72% for example. With and in the template you can check all of them.
As soon as one light changes its brightness or gets turned off, the state of the scene will be off - that’s the behavior I would expect.
value_template could look like this:
{{ (225 < state_attr('light.dim_a', 'brightness') < 235)
and (170 < state_attr('light.dim_b', 'brightness') < 180)
and is_state('light.on_off_c','on') }}
Hi community, I published an integration that enables scenes with states. I am running it in my own instance and it quickly updates the state of a scene when an entity is changed.
And the repo is here: https://www.github.com/hugobloem/stateful_scenes
Another solution might be to add a valid attribute to the scene, which is true when the scene is turned_on and false when any of the entities part of the scene changes.
Sure,
not sure how shareable this is
First up to make my flows modular, each room uses a different flow. There are several sub flows that are then shared with these flows.
The flow defines an env var called roominfo which is a json string. This is copied to msg.roominfo before the sub flow is called.
{
"area": "livingroom",
"dimmers": [
{
"name": "button.livingroom_remote_1_identify",
"type": "Hue v2",
"device_ieee": "00:17:88:01:0c:26:5b:0f"
},
{
"name": "button.livingroom_remote_2_identify",
"type": "Hue v2",
"device_ieee": "00:17:88:01:0b:dc:74:4c"
},
{
"name": "button.sunroom_dimmer_identify",
"type": "Hue v1",
"device_ieee": "00:17:88:01:02:0d:86:a5"
}
],
"heating": {
"boost_timer": "timer.livingroom_heating_boost_timer",
"helper": "input_text.livingroom_heating_target",
"switch_off": "switch.livingroom_switch_heat_off",
"switch_set_back": "switch.livingroom_switch_heat_set_back",
"switch_comfort": "switch.livingroom_switch_heat_comfort",
"switch_boost": "switch.livingroom_switch_heat_boost",
"target_set_back": "input_number.livingroom_heating_target_set_back",
"target_comfort": "input_number.livingroom_heating_target_comfort",
"target_boost": "input_number.livingroom_heating_target_boost",
"thermostat": [
{
"entity_id": "climate.livingroom_heating_thermostat"
},
{
"entity_id": "climate.sun_room_heating_thermostat"
}
]
},
"illuminance_sensors": [
{
"name": "sensor.livingroom_sensor_illuminance"
}
],
"light": "light.livingroom",
"occupancy_sensors": [
{
"name": "binary_sensor.livingroom_sensor_occupancy"
}
],
"occupancy_timer": "timer.livingroom_occupancy",
"scene_helper": "input_text.livingroom_last_scene",
"scene_motion_sensor_enabled": "input_boolean.livingroom_motion_sensor_enabled"
}
This is copied to msg.roominfo whenever it is needed.
The flows then call on sub flows to reduce code duplication. This example gets the room info, sets a scene and records the scene in a text helper.
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The sub flow can check if the scene was already set etc.
I have a couple of lights that occasionally don’t come on in a scene, I plan to add a test that could retry setting some of the lights on or off if they failed to react.
What I don’t like:
If I am making major updates, I like to clone a sub flow and link to it from one flow, and if ok, update the other flows to use the new sub flow. This results in a lot of manual editing of flows, so is error prone. I’m looking for a better way to manage versions and releases.
Steve
Thanks for sharing. It is indeed a clever way to do it with Node-Red.
I’ve slightly improved on this and use the following template switches:
switch:
- platform: template
switches:
scene_away:
friendly_name: Scene Away
value_template: |
{{
is_state( "alarm_control_panel.ha_alarm", "armed_away") and
is_state( "light.all_lights", "off") and
is_state_attr( "climate.lisa_bedroom", "preset_mode", "away") and
is_state_attr( "climate.lisa_living_room", "preset_mode", "away") and
is_state_attr( "climate.lisa_office", "preset_mode", "away")
}}
turn_on:
service: script.scene_away
turn_off:
service: script.do_nothing
scene_sleep:
friendly_name: Scene Sleep
value_template: |
{{
is_state( "alarm_control_panel.ha_alarm", "armed_night") and
is_state( "light.all_lights", "off") and
is_state_attr( "climate.lisa_bedroom", "preset_mode", "asleep") and
is_state_attr( "climate.lisa_living_room", "preset_mode", "asleep") and
is_state_attr( "climate.lisa_office", "preset_mode", "asleep")
}}
turn_on:
service: script.scene_sleep
turn_off:
service: script.do_nothing
These template switches are exposed to homekit and are the only ones that will be in the homekit scene. It is actually even better than the homekit scenes themselves, because you can have more granular control over when a scene is ‘on’ (e.g. when climate has a certain preset that only Home Assistant knows about).
What is the improvement?
By stating the expected conditions for an ‘active scene’ in the value template, the template switch will always be on when the scene conditions are met (e.g all lights off, alarm on in my example).
By turning any light on or turning off the alarm in the examples I gave above, the template switch will turn off - which in turn also turns the scene in Homekit off.
@countertokens, this might be the solution you’re looking for.
Are you using the Template Switch to control a scene entity? In other words, does script.scene_away turn on a scene entity?
I’m not, because I personally prefer to set the states using scripts rather than scenes. For example for climate entities; I just want to set the preset and not the temperature/HVAC mode.
Nonetheless you could also start a scene in the script or instead of the script.
You replied to my post, made over a year ago, to claim you made an improvement, yet it doesn’t employ what this topic is all about: scenes.
Your example suggests replacing a scene with a Template Switch that manages all entities which would otherwise be in a scene.
That might be practical if the scene is created by the user but impractical if it’s a scene created by an integration (increases maintenance by having to keep the entities of the value_template in sync with those in the scene; no single source of truth).
Come on, don’t be a jerk. I’m not trying to one-up you.
Correct, and this template switch is a representation of whether a scene is turned on or turned off. In my eyes this is a proper workaround for statefull scenes, which is what this topic is about. It works perfectly well for my use-case and it might help others here as well.
True, but workarounds are almost always impractical.
So please be nice here - I’m only trying to help others out, as should you.
Please take a moment to review the community’s Guidelines.
I never publicly claimed or privately felt that you did.
You responded to one of my year-old posts claiming an improvement that ultimately doesn’t employ the central element of this topic’s discussion: a scene entity.
Your workaround is an outright replacement for a scene entity. Although it may suit your particular use-case, it’s less practical for those who have existing scene entities especially if it’s a scene created by an integration (as explained above). To be clear, the example I posted a year ago uses a scene created by an integration (UPB).
For users with existing scene entities they created, your suggestion requires them to replace them entirely. It’s a feasible option for anyone who wants stateful scene-like behavior without employing an actual scene.
That’s good advice you should consider before saying “don’t be a jerk”
As for helping others, check my profile, over the past five years I’ve helped thousands of community members.
The tone of your message(s) are dismissive (why mention it is a year old post? why questioning whether it is improvement or not?), while I make an effort to help others out. Secondly, it is an improvement on your post, because it exactly implements the functionality that scenes are missing as you’ve mentioned in an earlier post:
It therefore is an improvement, so your dismissive tone is ungrounded.
Both not true;
If you’re able to define the state of a scene in a template switch, like in my example, it can serve as an addition to using scenes - even if they are from integrations.
And even if the example does replace a scene entity, so what? People googling statefull scenes, or active scenes will find this topic and can use the example.
Words I totally agree with, which are also applicable to my example above 
Your responses imply you may not have read and understood the discussion from a year ago. That may be why your example paradoxically purports to enhance a scene entity by not actually using a scene entity.