Ooooh supercool. I’ve been debating for the past couple of weeks whether to upgrade my Pi3b+ (with as card!) to a Pi4 with SSD or get something like a Nuc. The Green seems to be just about right for my needs! Will definitely pick one up in October when my local distributor gets them!
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you can’t be serious
Is this based on an Android tv box ?
What is the SoC (System-on-a-Chip) variant model that Home Assistant Green is based on exactly?
Edit: In the video they only mentioned it uses some kind of Rockchip RK3566, not a specific variant model of RK3566, and as far as I know, there are different variants of RK3566 for different markets, such as RK3566A for tablets, RK3566D for OTT box. I believe that there might also a variant called RK3568 with the same CPU/GPU IP but with high-speed peripherals such as PCIe 3.0.
Any other similar development boards that uses this same variant SoC as Home Assistant Green?
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Can’t find any info on BIOS options. Can this device “Auto Power On” on power outages?
Yeah but not exact same SoC model. Rockchip makes loads of variants different variants that are not all compatible, and a development board would really need to use the exact same one to be a good match.
Learned that Home Assistant Green uses a Rockchip RK3566, but again not which specific model of it is, it really should be the exact same SoC model, as there are even multiple variants of the RK3566 with different specifications made in different markets.
By the way, wondering if the board from “Dusun DSGW-210-HA” SBC-appliance was considered as an option? It uses a slightly slower CPU but it comes with Zigbee/Thread, Z-Wave + Bluetooth radios:
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Great news and have ordered what I hope is the first of many.
I support a lot of first time users and this approach should greatly accelerate the adoption rates and assist with first time onboarding.
Well done!
CM4 are slowly becoming available, have a look at rpilocator.com.
I’ve been using one of these Dusun boxes for about 9 months now. It’s been great although i have never been able to get bluetooth going.
But not the precise soc version. It just says Rockchip RK3566 SoC with quad-core Arm Cortex-A55 CPU.
This is very exciting! I have a couple friends who are a great target audience for this.
By the way, I think it would be helpful to strongly suggest that buyers also get a skyconnect, maybe offer a “bundle” with it as a default option, even if it’s the same price as each one combined, because most people will expect any smart home hub to be “the thing they use to connect zigbee and thread devices”.
Yeah 8G ram and 64G storage would be nicer, but probably not then $99.
Have been looking at it since January. A CM4 has been last seen in Canada in May, but only briefly and it was not one I want. The situation is only a little better in the States.
I am pretty sure it is not the same, but can be with additional USB devices.
What do you mean “protocols”?
No WiFi too.
In addition to Yellow and Green, I think newbies like me without skills on the soldering iron could benefit from ready to go sensors.
There are optical interfaces to heating devices or electricity meters that need careful measurement and production if an interface. Same for measuring your gas consumption via magnetic contacts.
Some off the shelf hardware that you can select by just entering your model number and preferred way of transmission like USB or WiFi would be very helpful.
I think the starter kit has to be ready to go with all interfaces, Zigbee, Matter, Thread, Bluetooth, Wifi 2,4GHz. 5GHZ and an SDR to cover 10-000 MHZ for various things like weatherstations or electricity meters.
Maybe even a “pro” Red version with extended Range and full duplex SDR to 6 or 7 GHZ and wifi7 , better cpu and ram.
Buy once, be set without having to buy additional daughterboards basically.
Well, they have released this device and I have one. It did literally “Just Work”.
It has no WiFi (probably a good thing), no bluetooth (is this really needed?), no Zigbee/Thread/matter etc. These can all be added (best probably with HA SkyConnect dongle).
I can’t find any specific support from Nabu Casa / MH which is a little disappointing since I want to find out more about the Micro SD card slot which is billed as for “recovery purposes only” (as is the HDMI port). I have plugged in an SD card and it shows up in the /dev folder but I can’t “mount” it - mount just says “Permission denied (are you root?)” I used sudo, so yes I am. I’m not a linux guru so any help there from a guru would be appreciated.
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there is SkyConnect yes, but everything extra uses up valuable usb ports and you have to be cautious to make sure its compatible.
Wifi i think is a must these days, makes you more flexible and needs less space. Its common to have electricity in remote locations but not necessarily ethernet.
I will stick with the request for more optical & mechanical sensors as a new segment in the shop.
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If you dont want to be a newbie then get a soldering iron and lean, it’s not rocket science. This is a “starter” nox.if you want all the bells and whistles then buy a yellow that has all that stuff or buy a pi and build it yourself.
Respectfully disagree on Wi-Fi as part of something like this. I don’t even use Wi-Fi on my Raspberry Pi based homelab servers because it isn’t always perfectly reliable.
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Im honestly baffled by the decision to spend time and money on the design and manufacture of this thing.
It’s just a straight up worse version of an SBC that can be had off the shelf for equal or even less money.
Just as an example the FriendlyElec NanoPC-T6 has a much more powerful SoC (dual quad core, A72+A55), mini-PCIe, M.2 E-Key and M.2 M-Key slots AND dual 2.5G Ethernet.
And with identical ram/emmc spec to the green it’s also exactly 100$.
With a case and power supply it is $130.
Mine uses 1.6w when idle
I’m an electrical engineer have been a Debian developer for 10 years and currently run Home Assistant on Linux, Odroid N2+, Blue and Yellow.
I have ordered a Home Assistant Green as I want rock solid hardware and software platform that’s preconfigured so I can get on with the ‘exciting’ stuff of automating my household and home energy management system.
Standing on the shoulders of giants
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Gotta say the lack of a AU/NZ power supply is a bummer. One more clip on plug prong would have been good.
Yes! We simplify the mundane parts of the setup so that you can focus on the important aspects of your smart home. 
We create a smart home because we want to monitor and automate our home, not because we want to set up more things. (Sure, some people just want to tinker stuff… 
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Like with so much else incl HA itself, you get out of Wi-Fi what you’ve put into it. It used to be that buying a Wi-Fi box aka “router” (really router - firewall - access point - switch in a single box) was sufficient, but nowadays the spectrum is so congested one needs proper network features, performance, and visibility into what’s going on, to have a solid network. I.e. an SDN, software defined network. TP-Link Omada has been working out quite well for me in multiple installations.
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+1 and add to that some simple to use mesh networking Wi-Fi system like example Google Nest WiFi do not allow to set a static WiFi channel per access point so the AP closest to your Home Assist could at any time to a WiFi channel that will interfere with Zigbee and Thead if using Home Assistant SkyConnect or other IoT radios
The cpu would be a bit slower but the it’s still probably going to be snappier because the sd card in the pi is likely the limiting factor
Green has arrived in Australia!
Plugged in, unfortunately as specified no AU socket, only US, UK and EU. US → AU transformation with pliers.
5 minutes later:
Unfortunately it wont let me Suggest (strong) password using chrome ;-(
A few more dialogs, location, data reporting and now the fun begins:
Got mine a couple of weeks ago in NZ 
This is exactly for people like me. I worked with computer software systems for many years when I worked, and I can do these things - I have HA up and running and an Open System Monitor system. BUT - it was an (interesting) challenge to get it all working. Many people don’t have the time and inclination to dig in too far. I think this is a great development and I have two on order …
With the new Green box is it sensible to run an mqtt broker on the box itself? I’m hoping so, as so many things in HA seem to want mqtt, and as the Green is a standalone appliance it would be a shame to have to rely on another bit of kit, too.
Hello all, i am new here and also with Home Assistant. I was told Home Assistant Green is for beginners, but reading what is above, I am not convinced…
My goal is to integrate devices from Somfy, Tuya, Eufy, Ajax and maybe Tydom in order to reduce the number of apps on my smartphone. Possible for a beginner or dream?
Any advice is welcome even to start with a forum for real beginners 
I suppose it all depends on one’s background experiences with computers and such.
I started with Hue and HomeKit several years ago. I hated the Hue app from the start, but I had HK to control the devices and it was OK. Cut to a year ago, and I gave Hubitat Elevation a whirl. That introduced issues that could arise with devices, signals, and such. But it also revealed a level of intimacy and control of the home and its devices. Two weeks ago I had trouble with integrating HE’s introduction of Matter to get to the Nests, but I got it sorted. IRONICALLY, I had ordered a HA Green earlier on, for wants with the Nests that HE didn’t yet offer. The day after sorting Matter with HE, the HA Green arrived.
So, that was a week ago. I have just about all the automations it took me a year to learn/resolve/implement and refine in HE set up in HA today. Plus a button to start up the F150 when it’s cold. What? [chuckle]
It was a bit overwhelming, as HE doesn’t reveal everything like HA does, but it’s friendlier to automate. I’m sure I’d have had a harder time w/o the HE experience under my belt. Terminology had me going with HA initially, but like I said I’m sorted and quite pleased. Still have a ways to go to grok all I can do with it, but dang I’m jazzed. HA on it’s own in the first two day “found” implementations I didn’t know existed.
I heard as many negatives about HA as I have kudos, so was leery of it. When I went to HE, it was because it looked friendlier than the HA Yellow, and cheaper to boot. I’ve gotten a lot done w/o having to get into YAML. I used to dabble years ago, but that intimidates me now. The UI integration of HA Green I suppose is so much more developed than ever, which made it ready for ME right out of the box.
Anyways, that’s what I reflected upon with your own wonderings about HA Green. Good luck with your ventures in this regard. 
Somfy Somfy - Home Assistant
Search for the other brands. If they are supported, you’ll find the answer by searching.
I started my journey into the home automation space in 2018 with the Wink until my aggravation with constant loss of function with major issues with stability of my internet. I found and purchased a Hubitat Elevation C5. I thought I had found the sweetest platform, I upgraded to a C8 back in the summer in hopes of dealing with signal issues and stability issues with my Zigbee devices. I’m very frustrated I had been watching the HA space for a few years now and I took the bite and purchased a Green in the week before Christmas. It is expected to arrive on Thursday. I’m excited about seeing the things I’ve been reading in person. 
it is something I love working with.
welcome aboard
Couldn’t find anywhere else to post this, so here goes…
Anyone else found their Green is burning through the eMMC lifetime really quickly? I ran mine for about a month, it’s saying 10% eMMC life is used. That gives the unit less than a year life. I have nothing much happening on the box, I don’t have energy monitoring or anything that would cause heavy database use.
It would be GREAT if the SD card could be used as the data drive.
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TBH I’ve only increased the number of apps on my phone. I may be able to remove some but for beginners… out of the box the easiest integration setup is often to use the existing cloud connections created with their apps. You maybe able to operate HA with some apps uninstalled but until you have a solid production HA Green settled you’ll likely be diving straight back to the apps while things stop working.
I use a raspberry pi 4 b+ now, but would love to get the green, to get a little more performance and internal storage. but i use wifi and all 4 usb in my raspberry pi. So please consider giving the green wifi and 2 extra usb (3.0) then i would love to buy it.
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Get a USB hub and USB wifi.
I think you’re right, I spun up HA on an ODroid N2+ with a brand new 32GB eMMC module (AKA HomeAssistant Blue), and it shows 10% used.
Which is a terrible choice by the devs IMO.
I guess this is another “is this the solution for me?” type post.
Currently running HAOS on a RPi 400. It is not ideal but it has been ok. I have been at it a couple years so I’m no beginner but I’m sure many on here have far more complex setups than mine.
Basically I have had a couple instances lately where the machine seems to have frozen and I can’t connect to my server to perform a reboot so there’s nothing I can do until I can physically interact with the machine. Any way around this with the Green?
The 400 is also larger than needed making it difficult to tuck away.
It would be hardwired, no wifi necessary, and I already have skyconnect, zwave stick, and Bluetooth dongle.
Probably not, especially if you’re trying to perform any sort of ‘recognition’ type of image processing on the video feed from those cameras. I really don’t think you’ll see much performance different between your existing RPI 4 and a HA Green.
Have you considered running HAOS on a more powerful Intel NUC style small form factor computer? With the correct CPU and memory, you should be able to handle video processing much better than what a RPi or HA Green can handle.
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I gave this a try for awhile and it was just ok.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07J2TFW5T/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Was running HA and homebridge in separate VMs and just didn’t love the experience. Of particular concern would be getting the PC and VMs up and running again if they were to go down for any reason and I was away. Just need to run HA now so it might be a better experience. I also occasionally had issues passing my skyconnect to the VM.
While I like the idea of being able to do other things with the machine as well, I’m sort of leaning toward wanting a machine strictly to run HAOS. But maybe I will fire this back up and see how it goes.
Do you think this one is ok or do you have a specific one you like (preferably around $100)?
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I prefer to just let HAOS run natively on the computer. There are so many add-ons available that it is pretty easy to run additional things on the same computer. I run Grafana, InfluxDB, Node-RED, ESPHome, etc… as HAOS add-ons on my HA Yellow. I do not use the HA Yellow to try and process video data, though…
It is definitely much, much simpler to just run HAOS on a computer versus running it in a virtual machine (as it sounds like you’ve already found out! 
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I would say, go ahead and try it on whatever SFF PC you’d like and see how it goes. I do not have any recommendations for specific hardware.
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installing HAOS directly on the computer is an option I hadn’t really considered. This might be a great solution. Thanks for the help.
This one:
This is not my strong suit but I believe it said it is x64.
In any case, I was following the steps to install haos on x86. Changed the boot options per instructions. Got the Ubuntu image written to a usb drive. Plugged the usb drive into the HP and booted up, making sure it chose the usb to boot from. Took a while trying and then booted into gnu grub.
Either I’m doing something wrong or it’s not going to work on my system
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I think technically it is x86_64 which is synonymous with amd64.
Did you choose to start ubuntu at the grub prompt (highlight the entry you want and press
Sure looks like an Intel based CPU, which is the definition of x86/x64 based processors. Does the BIOS support UEFI on that EliteDesk 800 G2? If not, that will be a problem.
If you cannot get the USB Ubuntu method to work…
Just remove the SSD from the PC, attach it to a USB to SSD cable or external USB enclosure, and then use Balena Etcher (or similar) to install the HAOS x86 image to that drive. Afterwards, simply install it back into the SFF PC and boot it up.
gnu grub version 2.06
minimal bash-like line editing is supported. For the first word, TAB lists possible command completions. Anywhere else TAB lists possible device or file completions.
I did ls and got the possible drives. I’m somewhat sure my USB is ls (hd1,2) only because it is the only showing FAT format. Don’t know where to go from there.
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No, that’s all I had. I’m currently rewriting the iso image to my USB stick using a different method. Most likely trying something different just to try something different. Tomorrow I can try a different USB stick.
EDIT: success! Failed using Rufus, worked immediately using balena etcher. Yay!
