I work in IT. I ask this question EVERY SINGLE DAY.
They blindly follow guides/YouTube videos without having the slightest idea what they are doing.
It’s funny - I run Kodi via a Vero and am beta testing a new Kernel for OSMC. They raised the bar of entry to the beta by making people edit a file to get the new kernel… It’s amazing how many people that filters out right there…
It was meant to be sarcastic.
I must admit a used my fair share of tutorials in my life, but only to speed up learning it.
Nice to here you are helping me to have an enjoyable experience with osmc. Thank you for that!
Same for me and it certainly helped me to learn. But eventually it helps if you have a clue what you are doing… In fact 90% of the time I write how-to’s and tutorials just so I don’t forget what I did.
I’m not really convinced that is the case.
Why would an already installed HA Supervised install cause that error just because of the way HA was installed?
I believe it could happen with any HA install method if the upgrade didn’t go smoothly or even if the user makes an incorrect modification to their config. How many times have we heard “it just failed for no reason and I never made any changes” to then later find out that they did and that was why it failed? Almost never (except for my own one off thing but that had nothing to do with HA Supervised since I don’t run that).
And as far the support argument…they aren’t providing support for this, we are.
The OP may be a “posterboy” but it has nothing to do with the HA Supervised discussion and more to do with the “Make It Easy™” discussion.
I’ll have a lamb dansak, fried rice and a cheese naan.
Lob us a few pakoras whilst I’m waiting. Cheers.
Even with your quoted text I was trying to figure out what the hell you were talking about…
Damn, “y” and “t” are too close together…
fixed
Can we see a picture of how you have fixed that?
Changing a “T” to a “Y”?
Using a keyboard?
You are correct, his errors can occur in any installation.
But the rest of his reactions is the reason why the whole discussion for support of a linux supervised version came up. People follow a tutorial on the internet without knowing what they are actually doing. Whilst a better way of going about would actually be different. But ignorance is bliss…
Good luck with your next reaction, picking up the key’s. Watch out for that superglue!
I’m sorry, I’m reading this thread and the other two very carefully in the last days, but right now, I am very much missing the nice and friendly tone, that I usually see here in this very forum…
Ignorance, really? In Germany we have a saying, it translates to “no master has ever fallen from the sky”. In a nutshell it says, that you can’t know what you’re doing, before you learned it… I think you get the idea.
Don’t misunderstand me, I’m totally with you, regarding the discussion. And I do understand the frustration, that comes with answering the same questions every time, knowing, that without a deeper knowledge the asker will not get anywhere far and will likely run into problems.
Unfortunately I can as well understand the frustration in the dev team, handling such a complicated task isn’t easy. Unfortunately, because I’m using the formentioned installer on a generic linux. I have the knowledge or at least I know where to look at, but for me it is way easier if someone else is taking this task. Sure I can use portainer or docker-compose
or Proxmox, but I like the easy way that installation method gives me. Laziness rules…
So I’m not the typical case of user, where no underlying *nix knowledge is present, but I had to read the docs and I worked with a tutorial to do the install. So? Am I now one of the ignorants? I hope not, and I don’t think you would classify me as such.
So why not better talk about the underlying issues, that led to frustration on both sides? I think, if we would have a better documentation, we would have way less questions. But at the moment nowhere in the docs is clearly stated, that you should know, what you’re doing. Looking outside right now, I’m totally sure at least 30% of all people have no idea what they are doing in life, why should they have it here?
For example, we should have a questionaire, that guides you through the process what installation method is good for you, and what knowledge is needed to run the desired installation method.
This is why I don’t think it’s ignorance. In my experience people are lazy by nature. If it sounds like the easiest way, most people will choose that option. If documentation wise the generic linux installer sounds easy, than it will be chosen. So why not start at the documentation, and see where it takes us.
But that needs input especially from the people, that help here on this forum, as they know best, what questions are asked and what are the stop-words for directing users to HassOS.
If this has the desired effect, I’m quite sure the devs can be talked into at least one supported Linux distro, what would come in handy for myself.
This reply was very much needed. I can’t believe the aggression in the answers on this thread!
You’ve got a very good idea here. I will see if I can start something for this.
Other then that, you have good points. My points weren’t meant to be personal, though they might come across as such. That was not my intention. And you are right, people (including myself) are usually lazy by nature. I’ve even read a study once (sorry no source) that the more intelligent people are, the lazier they get.