And condition with a single child not working

[123 (Taras)]

@lepton

I rarely make mistakes while programming. I wrote it based on how I interpreted the documentation.

I guess this is an example of one of those rare instances when you did, based on a misunderstanding of the documentation.

@lepton

I have not claimed anything about the order of the properties in the documentation

You’re right; that was my mistake. I thought your reply was to me, on the subject of ordering, but you had replied to petro, on the subject of condition notation.

@lepton

The order is created by tooling and that tooling could potentially use a Home Assistant specific backend, but you are literally the only one that is concerned about the order.

Your unnamed tooling is fine for the YAML interpreter but below par for user-legibility, namely for the volunteers who must examine the non-standard ordering and spot your mistakes. It’s in the same vein as the unformatted YAML occasionally posted by newcomers.

If you know 30+ programming languages then you are aware that many have style conventions that aren’t mandatory but do improve legibility. Consider it the Home Assistant style to order by ‘trigger/condition/action’.

[lepton]

@123

I guess this is an example of one of those rare instances when you did, based on a misunderstanding of the documentation.

I’d consider the documentation to be written in an almost malicious fashion. As such, I don’t count this as a mistake. You are free to have your own count.

Anyway, the world is a bit more automated again and I am certain that people will benefit from this topic.

If the people behind Home Assistant were smart, they would implement a pretty printer in the forum software itself. That way the whole topic would be moot.

[123 (Taras)]

@lepton

I’d consider the documentation to be written in an almost malicious fashion

It’s created by community members so you have the opportunity to improve it. This guide explains how:

Editing the Documentation and Creating a Pull Request on Github

I have seen a number of people complain about the documentation at https://home-assistant.io/ (HA site). Great news! Everyone can edit it and provide improvements to the documentation. Next thing I likely see is that people don’t know how to create a pull request on Github. Great news! Here is a tutorial on how to do it. First go to https://github.com/ and sign up for an account. Its quick free and easy. If there is a need for a tutorial for this too, please post that feedback below. O…

[finity]

@lepton

written in an almost malicious fashion

really?

how so?

that’s going pretty far just to try to place the blame for your mistake on someone else.

it’s ok to say “oops, I misunderstood the documentation (which could use improvement) and didn’t realize it worked that way” instead of saying that they intentionally wrote the documentation to trip YOU up for some unknowable nefarious reason.

[lepton]

Like I said: I don’t make mistakes. You, however, have made the mistake of whining over a topic that was already dead.

[123 (Taras)]

@lepton

Like I said: I don’t make mistakes

Home Assistant’s error message, in your first post, clearly shows that you did.

[finity]

@lepton

You, however, have made the mistake

I never make mistakes…it had to be your fault.

I think this whole thread was started and “written in an almost malicious fashion” by you.

see how silly that sounds?

But in this case I’m not sure it isn’t the truth.

Good luck finding anymore help in this community with the way you’ve behaved here. So I guess you are on your own and we will see how many other “non-mistakes” you make.

[Tamsy]

@123

Your unnamed tooling

Out of curiosity, pardon me but I simply couldn’t resist. I played around with this one using the OP’s “Given:”:

[bschatzow (Bill Schatzow)]

I think you have pointed out one of my struggles with HA as well. Following the documentation and checking the code produces errors in HA. I see many times the HA changes and errors happen even though the docs were followed. A recent example was in the templates and default values.

I disagree with the op about anything from the developers being malicious. I believe that since this is open source that the docs are the least fun thing to work on and they are the last to update and many times are incomplete.

As to the link to change documents, I have found this very difficult on ones I have tried and it being almost a debate on why I want to change them. Many of the documents are not written to the correct level of user and most require you to go to many additional documents rather than being self contained or at the very least correct links to the additional information needed.