Hello all,
I am using the Open Weather Map integration for weather data, but recently, it stopped providing the EXPECTED wind speed and direction. I was using that entity in some charts which showed what wind speeds were expected in the future. Now those charts are empty.
Do any of you know of an alternate service which would provide that data in the USA? Or a way to extract that into a helper or something which could store the information for use in a graph?
Any help would be appreciated…
Thanks!
exx
August 11, 2024, 5:51pm
2
Tempest forecasts provide this, but you’ll need to own a Tempest device.
For more information about Tempest devices and what info is available, see the video I posted in my thread in the social section. All the code for the forecast dashboard and everything is in there.
Thanks, but I can’t see myself spending close to $400 for a proprietary system. That kind of defeats the purpose of an “open home” in the first place.
I was hoping to hear from people who use any of the other freely available services to see if any of them provide the information, without having to install them all myself to find out.
exx
August 12, 2024, 4:06am
4
Perhaps you are unfamiliar with what a local weather station is and does… Your characterization is quite odd.
Further, this isn’t about “open home”, it’s SMART home.
pocket
August 12, 2024, 6:29am
5
The NWS integration provides the following daily or hourly forecast attributes:
friendly_name: Hourly Forecast
forecast:
- datetime: '2024-08-12T02:00:00-04:00'
precipitation_probability: 1
condition: partlycloudy
wind_bearing: 315
temperature: 62
dew_point: 58
wind_speed: 1
humidity: 87
Bearing resolution is only 45°.
You can also pull this forecast plot from the NWS.
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I understand a weather station. I just can’t see spending that to get one piece of information. I’m happy with the weather information provided by the freely available services for my needs. I am just trying to replace the one piece they used to provide, but don’t seem to anymore.
I appreciate the suggestion, though.
But is that the wind speed and direction they expect in the future? I know it’s a “forecast”, but what OWM used to provide was what the wind speed and direction was expected to be over the next day, not what it currently is. This allowed a separate graph showing actual vs. expected…
pocket
August 13, 2024, 8:33pm
8
HouseOfCards:
But is that the wind speed and direction they expect in the future? I know it’s a “forecast”, but what OWM used to provide was what the wind speed and direction was expected to be over the next day, not what it currently is. This allowed a separate graph showing actual vs. expected…
You can get the hourly forecast for the next 7 days. Pick what you’d like. If you want the next 24 hours worth of data, you can pick that out with forecast indexes 0 through 23. Similarly, the next 6 hours would be 0 though 5. If you need entities rather than attributes, you’ll need to create template sensors.
Lastly, the NWS-provided direction resolution is only half as good as what’s shown in your image.
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Maybe one of you can help figure out how to extract this information from the forecast? I don’t really understand how to do this…
There’s a weather.get_forecasts service. Apparently, we can create a template sensor which pulls this information, but I don’t know where to start with that? I basically need two sensors…
Forecast Wind Speed
This is what is returned from the daily forecast when the service is called.
weather.open_weather_map:
forecast:
- datetime: "2024-08-19T17:00:00+00:00"
condition: rainy
temperature: 78
pressure: 1005
cloud_coverage: 99
wind_speed: 8.81
wind_bearing: 256
uv_index: 6.95
precipitation_probability: 20
precipitation: 0.01
apparent_temperature: 80
dew_point: 71
wind_gust_speed: 10.98
humidity: 78
- datetime: "2024-08-19T18:00:00+00:00"
condition: cloudy
temperature: 78
pressure: 1005
cloud_coverage: 99
wind_speed: 11.1
wind_bearing: 278
uv_index: 4.7
precipitation_probability: 80
precipitation: 0
apparent_temperature: 79
dew_point: 72
wind_gust_speed: 17.05
humidity: 84
- datetime: "2024-08-19T19:00:00+00:00"
condition: cloudy
temperature: 77
pressure: 1005
cloud_coverage: 99
wind_speed: 11.3
wind_bearing: 295
uv_index: 2.8
precipitation_probability: 80
precipitation: 0
apparent_temperature: 78
dew_point: 72
wind_gust_speed: 18.16
humidity: 84
- datetime: "2024-08-19T20:00:00+00:00"
condition: cloudy
temperature: 77
pressure: 1005
cloud_coverage: 99
wind_speed: 13.24
wind_bearing: 296
uv_index: 1.97
precipitation_probability: 74
precipitation: 0
apparent_temperature: 78
dew_point: 69
wind_gust_speed: 19.66
humidity: 77
- datetime: "2024-08-19T21:00:00+00:00"
condition: cloudy
temperature: 74
pressure: 1005
cloud_coverage: 100
wind_speed: 13.8
wind_bearing: 299
uv_index: 1.19
precipitation_probability: 50
precipitation: 0
apparent_temperature: 75
dew_point: 67
wind_gust_speed: 22.77
humidity: 78
- datetime: "2024-08-19T22:00:00+00:00"
condition: cloudy
temperature: 71
pressure: 1006
cloud_coverage: 100
wind_speed: 12.15
wind_bearing: 301
uv_index: 0.57
precipitation_probability: 39
precipitation: 0
apparent_temperature: 71
dew_point: 64
wind_gust_speed: 25.12
humidity: 79
- datetime: "2024-08-19T23:00:00+00:00"
condition: cloudy
temperature: 66
pressure: 1006
cloud_coverage: 100
wind_speed: 10.33
wind_bearing: 302
uv_index: 0.1
precipitation_probability: 31
precipitation: 0
apparent_temperature: 66
dew_point: 60
wind_gust_speed: 23.53
humidity: 85
- datetime: "2024-08-20T00:00:00+00:00"
condition: cloudy
temperature: 64
pressure: 1007
cloud_coverage: 100
wind_speed: 8.43
wind_bearing: 296
uv_index: 0
precipitation_probability: 23
precipitation: 0
apparent_temperature: 64
dew_point: 59
wind_gust_speed: 20.42
humidity: 89
- datetime: "2024-08-20T01:00:00+00:00"
condition: cloudy
temperature: 63
pressure: 1007
cloud_coverage: 97
wind_speed: 8.41
wind_bearing: 302
uv_index: 0
precipitation_probability: 0
precipitation: 0
apparent_temperature: 63
dew_point: 58
wind_gust_speed: 20.07
humidity: 88
- datetime: "2024-08-20T02:00:00+00:00"
condition: cloudy
temperature: 62
pressure: 1007
cloud_coverage: 88
wind_speed: 7.76
wind_bearing: 313
uv_index: 0
precipitation_probability: 0
precipitation: 0
apparent_temperature: 62
dew_point: 57
wind_gust_speed: 18.99
humidity: 88
- datetime: "2024-08-20T03:00:00+00:00"
condition: cloudy
temperature: 61
pressure: 1007
cloud_coverage: 92
wind_speed: 6.76
wind_bearing: 322
uv_index: 0
precipitation_probability: 0
precipitation: 0
apparent_temperature: 61
dew_point: 56
wind_gust_speed: 15.52
humidity: 87
- datetime: "2024-08-20T04:00:00+00:00"
condition: cloudy
temperature: 61
pressure: 1008
cloud_coverage: 94
wind_speed: 6.44
wind_bearing: 321
uv_index: 0
precipitation_probability: 0
precipitation: 0
apparent_temperature: 60
dew_point: 55
wind_gust_speed: 14.58
humidity: 87
- datetime: "2024-08-20T05:00:00+00:00"
condition: cloudy
temperature: 61
pressure: 1008
cloud_coverage: 95
wind_speed: 6.35
wind_bearing: 330
uv_index: 0
precipitation_probability: 0
precipitation: 0
apparent_temperature: 60
dew_point: 55
wind_gust_speed: 13.51
humidity: 85
- datetime: "2024-08-20T06:00:00+00:00"
condition: cloudy
temperature: 61
pressure: 1008
cloud_coverage: 96
wind_speed: 4.79
wind_bearing: 328
uv_index: 0
precipitation_probability: 0
precipitation: 0
apparent_temperature: 61
dew_point: 54
wind_gust_speed: 10.96
humidity: 82
- datetime: "2024-08-20T07:00:00+00:00"
condition: cloudy
temperature: 62
pressure: 1008
cloud_coverage: 97
wind_speed: 5.17
wind_bearing: 318
uv_index: 0
precipitation_probability: 0
precipitation: 0
apparent_temperature: 61
dew_point: 54
wind_gust_speed: 11.9
humidity: 78
- datetime: "2024-08-20T08:00:00+00:00"
condition: cloudy
temperature: 62
pressure: 1008
cloud_coverage: 99
wind_speed: 4.83
wind_bearing: 326
uv_index: 0
precipitation_probability: 0
precipitation: 0
apparent_temperature: 61
dew_point: 53
wind_gust_speed: 11.21
humidity: 77
- datetime: "2024-08-20T09:00:00+00:00"
condition: cloudy
temperature: 60
pressure: 1009
cloud_coverage: 97
wind_speed: 5.14
wind_bearing: 307
uv_index: 0
precipitation_probability: 0
precipitation: 0
apparent_temperature: 59
dew_point: 52
wind_gust_speed: 9.78
humidity: 79
- datetime: "2024-08-20T10:00:00+00:00"
condition: cloudy
temperature: 58
pressure: 1009
cloud_coverage: 77
wind_speed: 6.62
wind_bearing: 311
uv_index: 0
precipitation_probability: 0
precipitation: 0
apparent_temperature: 58
dew_point: 51
wind_gust_speed: 14.88
humidity: 82
- datetime: "2024-08-20T11:00:00+00:00"
condition: cloudy
temperature: 58
pressure: 1010
cloud_coverage: 60
wind_speed: 5.77
wind_bearing: 313
uv_index: 0.07
precipitation_probability: 0
precipitation: 0
apparent_temperature: 57
dew_point: 51
wind_gust_speed: 14.27
humidity: 82
- datetime: "2024-08-20T12:00:00+00:00"
condition: partlycloudy
temperature: 62
pressure: 1011
cloud_coverage: 50
wind_speed: 5.53
wind_bearing: 319
uv_index: 0.36
precipitation_probability: 0
precipitation: 0
apparent_temperature: 61
dew_point: 51
wind_gust_speed: 14.29
humidity: 70
- datetime: "2024-08-20T13:00:00+00:00"
condition: sunny
temperature: 64
pressure: 1011
cloud_coverage: 0
wind_speed: 7
wind_bearing: 326
uv_index: 1.56
precipitation_probability: 0
precipitation: 0
apparent_temperature: 63
dew_point: 49
wind_gust_speed: 13.85
humidity: 59
- datetime: "2024-08-20T14:00:00+00:00"
condition: sunny
temperature: 67
pressure: 1011
cloud_coverage: 0
wind_speed: 9.44
wind_bearing: 327
uv_index: 3.41
precipitation_probability: 0
precipitation: 0
apparent_temperature: 65
dew_point: 47
wind_gust_speed: 14.61
humidity: 52
- datetime: "2024-08-20T15:00:00+00:00"
condition: sunny
temperature: 69
pressure: 1011
cloud_coverage: 0
wind_speed: 10.07
wind_bearing: 334
uv_index: 5.08
precipitation_probability: 0
precipitation: 0
apparent_temperature: 68
dew_point: 46
wind_gust_speed: 13.11
humidity: 45
- datetime: "2024-08-20T16:00:00+00:00"
condition: sunny
temperature: 71
pressure: 1011
cloud_coverage: 0
wind_speed: 9.66
wind_bearing: 332
uv_index: 6.48
precipitation_probability: 0
precipitation: 0
apparent_temperature: 70
dew_point: 45
wind_gust_speed: 11.01
humidity: 41
- datetime: "2024-08-20T17:00:00+00:00"
condition: sunny
temperature: 72
pressure: 1011
cloud_coverage: 0
wind_speed: 9.69
wind_bearing: 326
uv_index: 6.81
precipitation_probability: 0
precipitation: 0
apparent_temperature: 71
dew_point: 45
wind_gust_speed: 10.31
humidity: 38
- datetime: "2024-08-20T18:00:00+00:00"
condition: sunny
temperature: 73
pressure: 1011
cloud_coverage: 0
wind_speed: 10.09
wind_bearing: 318
uv_index: 6.46
precipitation_probability: 0
precipitation: 0
apparent_temperature: 72
dew_point: 44
wind_gust_speed: 10.02
humidity: 37
- datetime: "2024-08-20T19:00:00+00:00"
condition: sunny
temperature: 73
pressure: 1012
cloud_coverage: 0
wind_speed: 10.51
wind_bearing: 317
uv_index: 5.22
precipitation_probability: 0
precipitation: 0
apparent_temperature: 71
dew_point: 43
wind_gust_speed: 10.2
humidity: 37
- datetime: "2024-08-20T20:00:00+00:00"
condition: sunny
temperature: 72
pressure: 1012
cloud_coverage: 1
wind_speed: 10.69
wind_bearing: 318
uv_index: 3.4
precipitation_probability: 0
precipitation: 0
apparent_temperature: 70
dew_point: 43
wind_gust_speed: 10.56
humidity: 37
- datetime: "2024-08-20T21:00:00+00:00"
condition: sunny
temperature: 70
pressure: 1012
cloud_coverage: 2
wind_speed: 10.45
wind_bearing: 318
uv_index: 1.78
precipitation_probability: 0
precipitation: 0
apparent_temperature: 69
dew_point: 43
wind_gust_speed: 10.78
humidity: 40
- datetime: "2024-08-20T22:00:00+00:00"
condition: sunny
temperature: 67
pressure: 1013
cloud_coverage: 4
wind_speed: 12.19
wind_bearing: 320
uv_index: 0.64
precipitation_probability: 0
precipitation: 0
apparent_temperature: 65
dew_point: 46
wind_gust_speed: 13.8
humidity: 49
- datetime: "2024-08-20T23:00:00+00:00"
condition: sunny
temperature: 60
pressure: 1014
cloud_coverage: 3
wind_speed: 12.71
wind_bearing: 320
uv_index: 0.15
precipitation_probability: 0
precipitation: 0
apparent_temperature: 59
dew_point: 46
wind_gust_speed: 23.11
humidity: 61
- datetime: "2024-08-21T00:00:00+00:00"
condition: sunny
temperature: 57
pressure: 1015
cloud_coverage: 3
wind_speed: 10.85
wind_bearing: 314
uv_index: 0
precipitation_probability: 0
precipitation: 0
apparent_temperature: 56
dew_point: 44
wind_gust_speed: 24.99
humidity: 65
- datetime: "2024-08-21T01:00:00+00:00"
condition: sunny
temperature: 56
pressure: 1016
cloud_coverage: 0
wind_speed: 9.69
wind_bearing: 315
uv_index: 0
precipitation_probability: 0
precipitation: 0
apparent_temperature: 55
dew_point: 44
wind_gust_speed: 24.81
humidity: 67
- datetime: "2024-08-21T02:00:00+00:00"
condition: sunny
temperature: 54
pressure: 1016
cloud_coverage: 0
wind_speed: 6.91
wind_bearing: 322
uv_index: 0
precipitation_probability: 0
precipitation: 0
apparent_temperature: 52
dew_point: 44
wind_gust_speed: 17.09
humidity: 72
- datetime: "2024-08-21T03:00:00+00:00"
condition: sunny
temperature: 52
pressure: 1016
cloud_coverage: 4
wind_speed: 5.77
wind_bearing: 319
uv_index: 0
precipitation_probability: 0
precipitation: 0
apparent_temperature: 51
dew_point: 44
wind_gust_speed: 13.91
humidity: 76
- datetime: "2024-08-21T04:00:00+00:00"
condition: sunny
temperature: 50
pressure: 1016
cloud_coverage: 2
wind_speed: 4.36
wind_bearing: 306
uv_index: 0
precipitation_probability: 0
precipitation: 0
apparent_temperature: 49
dew_point: 44
wind_gust_speed: 4.03
humidity: 83
- datetime: "2024-08-21T05:00:00+00:00"
condition: sunny
temperature: 49
pressure: 1016
cloud_coverage: 1
wind_speed: 4.23
wind_bearing: 304
uv_index: 0
precipitation_probability: 0
precipitation: 0
apparent_temperature: 47
dew_point: 44
wind_gust_speed: 3.94
humidity: 88
- datetime: "2024-08-21T06:00:00+00:00"
condition: sunny
temperature: 48
pressure: 1016
cloud_coverage: 2
wind_speed: 4.25
wind_bearing: 299
uv_index: 0
precipitation_probability: 0
precipitation: 0
apparent_temperature: 46
dew_point: 44
wind_gust_speed: 3.36
humidity: 91
- datetime: "2024-08-21T07:00:00+00:00"
condition: sunny
temperature: 47
pressure: 1016
cloud_coverage: 6
wind_speed: 4.03
wind_bearing: 299
uv_index: 0
precipitation_probability: 0
precipitation: 0
apparent_temperature: 45
dew_point: 44
wind_gust_speed: 2.98
humidity: 92
- datetime: "2024-08-21T08:00:00+00:00"
condition: partlycloudy
temperature: 47
pressure: 1016
cloud_coverage: 23
wind_speed: 3.38
wind_bearing: 297
uv_index: 0
precipitation_probability: 0
precipitation: 0
apparent_temperature: 46
dew_point: 43
wind_gust_speed: 2.26
humidity: 91
- datetime: "2024-08-21T09:00:00+00:00"
condition: partlycloudy
temperature: 51
pressure: 1016
cloud_coverage: 47
wind_speed: 2.42
wind_bearing: 288
uv_index: 0
precipitation_probability: 0
precipitation: 0
apparent_temperature: 50
dew_point: 44
wind_gust_speed: 3.78
humidity: 80
- datetime: "2024-08-21T10:00:00+00:00"
condition: cloudy
temperature: 53
pressure: 1016
cloud_coverage: 60
wind_speed: 2.15
wind_bearing: 293
uv_index: 0
precipitation_probability: 0
precipitation: 0
apparent_temperature: 51
dew_point: 44
wind_gust_speed: 4.88
humidity: 76
- datetime: "2024-08-21T11:00:00+00:00"
condition: cloudy
temperature: 54
pressure: 1017
cloud_coverage: 68
wind_speed: 1.9
wind_bearing: 310
uv_index: 0.08
precipitation_probability: 0
precipitation: 0
apparent_temperature: 52
dew_point: 45
wind_gust_speed: 3.85
humidity: 76
- datetime: "2024-08-21T12:00:00+00:00"
condition: cloudy
temperature: 55
pressure: 1017
cloud_coverage: 73
wind_speed: 1.81
wind_bearing: 328
uv_index: 0.26
precipitation_probability: 0
precipitation: 0
apparent_temperature: 54
dew_point: 46
wind_gust_speed: 6.49
humidity: 76
- datetime: "2024-08-21T13:00:00+00:00"
condition: cloudy
temperature: 58
pressure: 1017
cloud_coverage: 100
wind_speed: 2.26
wind_bearing: 344
uv_index: 0.81
precipitation_probability: 0
precipitation: 0
apparent_temperature: 57
dew_point: 46
wind_gust_speed: 7.9
humidity: 67
- datetime: "2024-08-21T14:00:00+00:00"
condition: cloudy
temperature: 63
pressure: 1017
cloud_coverage: 72
wind_speed: 3.74
wind_bearing: 354
uv_index: 2.36
precipitation_probability: 0
precipitation: 0
apparent_temperature: 62
dew_point: 46
wind_gust_speed: 6.93
humidity: 55
- datetime: "2024-08-21T15:00:00+00:00"
condition: cloudy
temperature: 66
pressure: 1017
cloud_coverage: 66
wind_speed: 4.54
wind_bearing: 336
uv_index: 2.76
precipitation_probability: 0
precipitation: 0
apparent_temperature: 65
dew_point: 46
wind_gust_speed: 6.87
humidity: 49
- datetime: "2024-08-21T16:00:00+00:00"
condition: cloudy
temperature: 68
pressure: 1017
cloud_coverage: 59
wind_speed: 4.21
wind_bearing: 313
uv_index: 3.86
precipitation_probability: 0
precipitation: 0
apparent_temperature: 67
dew_point: 45
wind_gust_speed: 7.61
humidity: 46
pocket
August 19, 2024, 7:03pm
10
Replace the kxxx with the closest NWS station and append this to your configuration.yaml file: sensor.hourly_forecast, but you can change it to your liking.
template:
- trigger:
- platform: time_pattern
minutes: "/5"
- platform: homeassistant
event: start
action:
- service: weather.get_forecasts
data:
type: hourly
target:
entity_id: weather.kxxx
response_variable: hourly
sensor:
- name: Hourly Forecast
unique_id: hourly_forecast
state: "{{ now().isoformat() }}"
icon: mdi:timer-sand
attributes:
forecast: "{{ hourly['weather.kxxx'].forecast }}"
Here is a link to help you find the closest NWS station:
I don’t know how to restrict the forecasts to 24 hours, but I hope someone with more experience can help you trim it down to only what’s necessary.
The data set will look like this:
forecast:
- datetime: '2024-08-19T14:00:00-04:00'
precipitation_probability: 64
condition: lightning-rainy
wind_bearing: 270
temperature: 80
dew_point: 69
wind_speed: 9
humidity: 69
- datetime: '2024-08-19T15:00:00-04:00'
precipitation_probability: 64
condition: lightning-rainy
wind_bearing: 270
temperature: 81
dew_point: 70
wind_speed: 9
humidity: 69
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That’s pretty much what I already have from the Open Weather Map above. I just don’t understand the code involved to pull the future wind speed and wind bearing results from that service request into a template sensor.
My understanding is that the information is still contained within the service request, but it no longer creates those sensors I used to get automatically. I have to figure out how to make them myself now.
Progress. SMH
The result I posted above is showing what the service is returning up to August 21st. Hourly for 48 hours. I just need to extract that future data into a template sensor that stores the information. Then I can use that sensor instead for future wind speed and wind bearing.
pocket
August 20, 2024, 3:52am
13
Do you have any record of the entities, states, or attributes that were used before, or examples of the ones that are still used? Is there any information regarding the polar plots you posted?
Edit: Per the OWM documentation, I expect it’ll be something like this:
sensor.open_weather_map_temperature
What’s in the entity state matters.
How exactly do you pull the day and night wind forcast graph. I have the nws integration set up. Thx
