Cant delete orphaned group helper - no delete button

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Hi
Im trying to delete some obsolete group helper, its marked in red in UI and in log HA complains about it in log every time

Logger: homeassistant.helpers.service
Source: helpers/service.py:301
First occurred: July 27, 2024 at 17:15:00 (232 occurrences)
Last logged: 12:45:00

Referenced entities automation.floor_1_lights_on_motion_1 are missing or not currently available

there are no entities inside it
there is no delete button for it…
how can i delete it?

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Did you create the group in YAML?

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no
i created it with helper some time ago
then i removed the entities but i cant delete the group now
anyway, which yaml file contains this? i could not find it

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I have no idea how the GUI works for this, so I am just guessing on how a GUI might work.

  • can the radio button above the right red marking be activated?
  • can a member entity be selected and then deleted and do all members have to be deleted first?
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  1. No, its just a preview of the group entity
  2. I tried adding and deleting entities , it adds and deletes but I cant delete the group no matter what entities are in or w/o entities.
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It is not stored in a YAML file. It is stored in the non user editable .storage registry.

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I just tested and I could not delete the group if it had no entities in it.
As soon as I added an entity, then I could delete the group.
This sounds a bit like an unintended situation.

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I tried adding entity, still wont get delete button
I suspect its something garbage in HA DB that thinks this entity is somehow partly alive that allows me to edit but not delete it

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Look for the group entity in the entities table, not the helpers table. You should be able to delete it from there.

For some reason I don’t understand the helpers table jumps straight to options flow for entities which are disabled/unavailable instead of showing their entity registry settings (where the delete button lives).

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that solved this! thanks!