Fresh system Start Issues

Hi guys, just thought as I was having some isues with automations I would grab an SD card and do a clean fresh install, system up and running my Zwave dongle is setup, I can see my devices however, I cannot operate them, I see my Fibaro dimmers, Fibaro double Switches, and my Phillio switches but I cannot control them nothing work.
running a P4 4Gb Zwave Everspring stick running Operating System
Home Assistant OS 5.8
Any ideas, oh and for some reason I cannnot see my Pirs either, I wish I knew what was going on

Do you have a network key set?

not that i am aware?
How would I find out?

This may still apply

https://community.home-assistant.io/t/how-can-i-verify-the-z-wave-network-key-is-correctly-configured

Thankyou gave me a starting point cheers