I use Hass.io with this add-on. After reboot, i keep getting lots of these in my log:
2020-08-23 22:32:27 ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.websocket_api.http.connection.1808155504] Error handling message: Unknown error
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/connection.py", line 95, in async_handle
handler(self.hass, self, schema(msg))
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/commands.py", line 265, in handle_render_template
state_listener()
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/commands.py", line 253, in state_listener
msg["id"], {"result": template.async_render(variables)}
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/helpers/template.py", line 230, in async_render
return compiled.render(kwargs).strip()
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/environment.py", line 1090, in render
self.environment.handle_exception()
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/environment.py", line 832, in handle_exception
reraise(*rewrite_traceback_stack(source=source))
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/_compat.py", line 28, in reraise
raise value.with_traceback(tb)
File "<template>", line 3, in top-level template code
TypeError: '<' not supported between instances of 'NoneType' and 'int'
2020-08-23 22:32:27 ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.websocket_api.http.connection.1808155504] Error handling message: Unknown error
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/connection.py", line 95, in async_handle
handler(self.hass, self, schema(msg))
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/commands.py", line 265, in handle_render_template
state_listener()
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/commands.py", line 253, in state_listener
msg["id"], {"result": template.async_render(variables)}
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/helpers/template.py", line 230, in async_render
return compiled.render(kwargs).strip()
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/environment.py", line 1090, in render
self.environment.handle_exception()
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/environment.py", line 832, in handle_exception
reraise(*rewrite_traceback_stack(source=source))
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/_compat.py", line 28, in reraise
raise value.with_traceback(tb)
File "<template>", line 3, in top-level template code
TypeError: '<' not supported between instances of 'NoneType' and 'int'
2020-08-23 22:32:27 ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.websocket_api.http.connection.1808155504] Error handling message: Unknown error
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/connection.py", line 95, in async_handle
handler(self.hass, self, schema(msg))
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/commands.py", line 265, in handle_render_template
state_listener()
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/commands.py", line 253, in state_listener
msg["id"], {"result": template.async_render(variables)}
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/helpers/template.py", line 230, in async_render
return compiled.render(kwargs).strip()
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/environment.py", line 1090, in render
self.environment.handle_exception()
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/environment.py", line 832, in handle_exception
reraise(*rewrite_traceback_stack(source=source))
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/_compat.py", line 28, in reraise
raise value.with_traceback(tb)
File "<template>", line 3, in top-level template code
TypeError: '<' not supported between instances of 'NoneType' and 'int'
2020-08-23 22:32:27 ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.websocket_api.http.connection.1808155504] Error handling message: Unknown error
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/connection.py", line 95, in async_handle
handler(self.hass, self, schema(msg))
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/commands.py", line 265, in handle_render_template
state_listener()
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/commands.py", line 253, in state_listener
msg["id"], {"result": template.async_render(variables)}
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/helpers/template.py", line 230, in async_render
return compiled.render(kwargs).strip()
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/environment.py", line 1090, in render
self.environment.handle_exception()
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/environment.py", line 832, in handle_exception
reraise(*rewrite_traceback_stack(source=source))
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/_compat.py", line 28, in reraise
raise value.with_traceback(tb)
File "<template>", line 3, in top-level template code
TypeError: '<' not supported between instances of 'NoneType' and 'int'
2020-08-23 22:32:27 ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.websocket_api.http.connection.1808155504] Error handling message: Unknown error
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/connection.py", line 95, in async_handle
handler(self.hass, self, schema(msg))
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/commands.py", line 265, in handle_render_template
state_listener()
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/commands.py", line 253, in state_listener
msg["id"], {"result": template.async_render(variables)}
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/helpers/template.py", line 230, in async_render
return compiled.render(kwargs).strip()
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/environment.py", line 1090, in render
self.environment.handle_exception()
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/environment.py", line 832, in handle_exception
reraise(*rewrite_traceback_stack(source=source))
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/_compat.py", line 28, in reraise
raise value.with_traceback(tb)
File "<template>", line 3, in top-level template code
TypeError: '<' not supported between instances of 'NoneType' and 'int'
2020-08-23 22:32:27 ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.websocket_api.http.connection.1808155504] Error handling message: Unknown error
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/connection.py", line 95, in async_handle
handler(self.hass, self, schema(msg))
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/commands.py", line 265, in handle_render_template
state_listener()
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/commands.py", line 253, in state_listener
msg["id"], {"result": template.async_render(variables)}
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/helpers/template.py", line 230, in async_render
return compiled.render(kwargs).strip()
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/environment.py", line 1090, in render
self.environment.handle_exception()
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/environment.py", line 832, in handle_exception
reraise(*rewrite_traceback_stack(source=source))
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/_compat.py", line 28, in reraise
raise value.with_traceback(tb)
File "<template>", line 3, in top-level template code
TypeError: '<' not supported between instances of 'NoneType' and 'int'
2020-08-23 22:32:27 ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.websocket_api.http.connection.1808155504] Error handling message: Unknown error
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/connection.py", line 95, in async_handle
handler(self.hass, self, schema(msg))
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/commands.py", line 265, in handle_render_template
state_listener()
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/commands.py", line 253, in state_listener
msg["id"], {"result": template.async_render(variables)}
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/helpers/template.py", line 230, in async_render
return compiled.render(kwargs).strip()
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/environment.py", line 1090, in render
self.environment.handle_exception()
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/environment.py", line 832, in handle_exception
reraise(*rewrite_traceback_stack(source=source))
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/_compat.py", line 28, in reraise
raise value.with_traceback(tb)
File "<template>", line 3, in top-level template code
TypeError: '<' not supported between instances of 'NoneType' and 'int'
2020-08-23 22:32:30 WARNING (MainThread) [homeassistant.setup] Setup of webostv is taking over 10 seconds.
2020-08-23 22:33:26 ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.websocket_api.http.connection.1808155504] Error handling message: Unknown error
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/connection.py", line 95, in async_handle
handler(self.hass, self, schema(msg))
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/commands.py", line 265, in handle_render_template
state_listener()
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/commands.py", line 253, in state_listener
msg["id"], {"result": template.async_render(variables)}
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/helpers/template.py", line 230, in async_render
return compiled.render(kwargs).strip()
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/environment.py", line 1090, in render
self.environment.handle_exception()
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/environment.py", line 832, in handle_exception
reraise(*rewrite_traceback_stack(source=source))
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/_compat.py", line 28, in reraise
raise value.with_traceback(tb)
File "<template>", line 3, in top-level template code
TypeError: '<' not supported between instances of 'NoneType' and 'int'
2020-08-23 22:33:26 ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.websocket_api.http.connection.1808155504] Error handling message: Unknown error
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/connection.py", line 95, in async_handle
handler(self.hass, self, schema(msg))
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/commands.py", line 265, in handle_render_template
state_listener()
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/commands.py", line 253, in state_listener
msg["id"], {"result": template.async_render(variables)}
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/helpers/template.py", line 230, in async_render
return compiled.render(kwargs).strip()
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/environment.py", line 1090, in render
self.environment.handle_exception()
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/environment.py", line 832, in handle_exception
reraise(*rewrite_traceback_stack(source=source))
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/_compat.py", line 28, in reraise
raise value.with_traceback(tb)
File "<template>", line 3, in top-level template code
TypeError: '<' not supported between instances of 'NoneType' and 'int'
2020-08-23 22:33:26 ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.websocket_api.http.connection.1808155504] Error handling message: Unknown error
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/connection.py", line 95, in async_handle
handler(self.hass, self, schema(msg))
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/commands.py", line 265, in handle_render_template
state_listener()
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/commands.py", line 253, in state_listener
msg["id"], {"result": template.async_render(variables)}
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/helpers/template.py", line 230, in async_render
return compiled.render(kwargs).strip()
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/environment.py", line 1090, in render
self.environment.handle_exception()
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/environment.py", line 832, in handle_exception
reraise(*rewrite_traceback_stack(source=source))
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/_compat.py", line 28, in reraise
raise value.with_traceback(tb)
File "<template>", line 3, in top-level template code
TypeError: '<' not supported between instances of 'NoneType' and 'int'
2020-08-23 22:33:26 ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.websocket_api.http.connection.1808155504] Error handling message: Unknown error
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/connection.py", line 95, in async_handle
handler(self.hass, self, schema(msg))
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/commands.py", line 265, in handle_render_template
state_listener()
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/commands.py", line 253, in state_listener
msg["id"], {"result": template.async_render(variables)}
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/helpers/template.py", line 230, in async_render
return compiled.render(kwargs).strip()
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/environment.py", line 1090, in render
self.environment.handle_exception()
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/environment.py", line 832, in handle_exception
reraise(*rewrite_traceback_stack(source=source))
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/_compat.py", line 28, in reraise
raise value.with_traceback(tb)
File "<template>", line 3, in top-level template code
TypeError: '<' not supported between instances of 'NoneType' and 'int'
2020-08-23 22:33:26 ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.websocket_api.http.connection.1808155504] Error handling message: Unknown error
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/connection.py", line 95, in async_handle
handler(self.hass, self, schema(msg))
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/commands.py", line 265, in handle_render_template
state_listener()
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/commands.py", line 253, in state_listener
msg["id"], {"result": template.async_render(variables)}
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/helpers/template.py", line 230, in async_render
return compiled.render(kwargs).strip()
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/environment.py", line 1090, in render
self.environment.handle_exception()
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/environment.py", line 832, in handle_exception
reraise(*rewrite_traceback_stack(source=source))
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/_compat.py", line 28, in reraise
raise value.with_traceback(tb)
File "<template>", line 3, in top-level template code
TypeError: '<' not supported between instances of 'NoneType' and 'int'
2020-08-23 22:33:26 ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.websocket_api.http.connection.1808155504] Error handling message: Unknown error
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/connection.py", line 95, in async_handle
handler(self.hass, self, schema(msg))
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/commands.py", line 265, in handle_render_template
state_listener()
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/commands.py", line 253, in state_listener
msg["id"], {"result": template.async_render(variables)}
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/helpers/template.py", line 230, in async_render
return compiled.render(kwargs).strip()
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/environment.py", line 1090, in render
self.environment.handle_exception()
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/environment.py", line 832, in handle_exception
reraise(*rewrite_traceback_stack(source=source))
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/_compat.py", line 28, in reraise
raise value.with_traceback(tb)
File "<template>", line 3, in top-level template code
TypeError: '<' not supported between instances of 'NoneType' and 'int'
2020-08-23 22:33:26 ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.websocket_api.http.connection.1808155504] Error handling message: Unknown error
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/connection.py", line 95, in async_handle
handler(self.hass, self, schema(msg))
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/commands.py", line 265, in handle_render_template
state_listener()
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/commands.py", line 253, in state_listener
msg["id"], {"result": template.async_render(variables)}
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/helpers/template.py", line 230, in async_render
return compiled.render(kwargs).strip()
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/environment.py", line 1090, in render
self.environment.handle_exception()
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/environment.py", line 832, in handle_exception
reraise(*rewrite_traceback_stack(source=source))
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/_compat.py", line 28, in reraise
raise value.with_traceback(tb)
File "<template>", line 3, in top-level template code
TypeError: '<' not supported between instances of 'NoneType' and 'int'
2020-08-23 22:33:54 ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant] Error doing job: Task exception was never retrieved
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/aiopylgtv/webos_client.py", line 373, in consumer_handler
while not closeout_task.done():
UnboundLocalError: local variable 'closeout_task' referenced before assignment
2020-08-23 22:37:32 ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.websocket_api.http.connection.1769766144] Error handling message: Unknown error
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/connection.py", line 95, in async_handle
handler(self.hass, self, schema(msg))
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/commands.py", line 265, in handle_render_template
state_listener()
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/commands.py", line 253, in state_listener
msg["id"], {"result": template.async_render(variables)}
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/helpers/template.py", line 230, in async_render
return compiled.render(kwargs).strip()
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/environment.py", line 1090, in render
self.environment.handle_exception()
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/environment.py", line 832, in handle_exception
reraise(*rewrite_traceback_stack(source=source))
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/_compat.py", line 28, in reraise
raise value.with_traceback(tb)
File "<template>", line 3, in top-level template code
TypeError: '<' not supported between instances of 'NoneType' and 'int'
2020-08-23 22:37:33 ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.websocket_api.http.connection.1769766144] Error handling message: Unknown error
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/connection.py", line 95, in async_handle
handler(self.hass, self, schema(msg))
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/commands.py", line 265, in handle_render_template
state_listener()
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/commands.py", line 253, in state_listener
msg["id"], {"result": template.async_render(variables)}
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/helpers/template.py", line 230, in async_render
return compiled.render(kwargs).strip()
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/environment.py", line 1090, in render
self.environment.handle_exception()
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/environment.py", line 832, in handle_exception
reraise(*rewrite_traceback_stack(source=source))
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/_compat.py", line 28, in reraise
raise value.with_traceback(tb)
File "<template>", line 3, in top-level template code
TypeError: '<' not supported between instances of 'NoneType' and 'int'
2020-08-23 22:37:33 ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.websocket_api.http.connection.1769766144] Error handling message: Unknown error
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/connection.py", line 95, in async_handle
handler(self.hass, self, schema(msg))
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/commands.py", line 265, in handle_render_template
state_listener()
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/commands.py", line 253, in state_listener
msg["id"], {"result": template.async_render(variables)}
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/helpers/template.py", line 230, in async_render
return compiled.render(kwargs).strip()
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/environment.py", line 1090, in render
self.environment.handle_exception()
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/environment.py", line 832, in handle_exception
reraise(*rewrite_traceback_stack(source=source))
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/_compat.py", line 28, in reraise
raise value.with_traceback(tb)
File "<template>", line 3, in top-level template code
TypeError: '<' not supported between instances of 'NoneType' and 'int'
2020-08-23 22:37:33 ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.websocket_api.http.connection.1769766144] Error handling message: Unknown error
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/connection.py", line 95, in async_handle
handler(self.hass, self, schema(msg))
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/commands.py", line 265, in handle_render_template
state_listener()
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/commands.py", line 253, in state_listener
msg["id"], {"result": template.async_render(variables)}
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/helpers/template.py", line 230, in async_render
return compiled.render(kwargs).strip()
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/environment.py", line 1090, in render
self.environment.handle_exception()
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/environment.py", line 832, in handle_exception
reraise(*rewrite_traceback_stack(source=source))
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/_compat.py", line 28, in reraise
raise value.with_traceback(tb)
File "<template>", line 3, in top-level template code
TypeError: '<' not supported between instances of 'NoneType' and 'int'
2020-08-23 22:37:33 ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.websocket_api.http.connection.1769766144] Error handling message: Unknown error
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/connection.py", line 95, in async_handle
handler(self.hass, self, schema(msg))
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/commands.py", line 265, in handle_render_template
state_listener()
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/websocket_api/commands.py", line 253, in state_listener
msg["id"], {"result": template.async_render(variables)}
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/helpers/template.py", line 230, in async_render
return compiled.render(kwargs).strip()
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/environment.py", line 1090, in render
self.environment.handle_exception()
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/environment.py", line 832, in handle_exception
reraise(*rewrite_traceback_stack(source=source))
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jinja2/_compat.py", line 28, in reraise
raise value.with_traceback(tb)
File "<template>", line 3, in top-level template code
TypeError: '<' not supported between instances of 'NoneType' and 'int'
I’m pretty sure Node-RED is causing it, but not 100%. This is my configuration:
credential_secret: XsSHXb6Xvv8DJ5hF #I've changed this one, but it's similar
dark_mode: false
http_node:
username: secret nodered_username
password: secret nodered_password
http_static:
username: secret nodered_username
password: secret nodered_password
ssl: true
certfile: fullchain.pem
keyfile: privkey.pem
require_ssl: true
system_packages: []
npm_packages: []
init_commands: []
From Googleing, i think maybe the solution could be a long lived token? But i can’t figure out how to apply that. Or am I on the wrong track?