How should I control lighting in my home theatre?

Hi folks. I bought a “Home Assistant Yellow” to use with my home theatre, but I haven’t done much with it. I’d like to use Home Assistant to control the lighting in my home theatre room. I want “dim the house lights” and “raise the house lights” effects, and I want to be able to switch to some predefined lighting “scenes”. I want to use my existing lights with dimmable LED bulbs in them. The idea is to replace some of my existing light switches with dimmers that can be controlled by Home Assistant.

An installer I’ve worked with suggest Lutron Caseta as the best choice. He claims that other systems (like Zigbee-based ones) would have problems with interference. I’m in a condo with another residence on the other side of the wall, so interference with various things could be an issue. I want to use something that isn’t cloud-dependant if I can.

What are my options for this? What type of hardware and configuration should I be using? Does this sound like a reasonable project for someone who hasn’t done much with Home Assistant? Do you have any recommendations for me?

Thanks!

First, Zigbee interference is mostly an old-wives-tale. It RARELY happens. And even when it does, the protocol is programmed to expect lost packets and retransmit.

Second. I like your thinking- unless you NEED color, then cheap dimmable LEDs are the cheapest and easiest solution. I use Z-Wave smart switches from Zooz to control my dimmable LEDs in the Family Room., but there are other brands.

Third. Do NOT waste your money with proprietary, expensive “smart home” controllers. They do everything they can to lock you into their overpriced products. There is nothing that they do that you can’t do with Home Assistant and the correct dongle, For Z-Wave, I use the Aeotec Z-Stick, but that is old and out of stock. It cost me about $50. I don’t know what people are recommending today. For Zigbee, I use the SONOFF Zigbee 3.0 USB Dongle. It’s about $35. (Get both. You’re going to eventually have a mix of Zigbee and Z-Wave devices anyway).

So, I would go the Z-Wave solution. Get a Z-Wave dongle (I’m certain that someone will suggest a current model), then replace your wall switch with a Zooz dimmer switch or scene controller switch- I just use the straight dimmer switch. And you are 80% of the way to ‘done’.

In my home, I use Alexa with my Node-Red Home Assistant Add-on to control almost everything. In the family room, I can say “Alexa, turn on theater” and an automation runs that turns off all downstairs lights then turns on the TV, dims the lights in the Family Room, and turns on the hallway light. But this would be a future project…

If I start with Zigbee, would I need a dongle? Home Assistant Yellow is supposed to have some built-in Zigbee capability. Does that mean I’d just need to buy replacement light-switches?

Do you find your Zigbee switches reliable?

BTW, I’m looking at using four separate light-switches in the same room.

Thanks for the info!

I’ve never seen a Home Assistant Yellow, so I know nothing about the built in Zigbee. But it’s likely that it is useable.

Zigbee is a very low-power network protocol operating most often on the same 2,4 GHz frequency bands as WiFi and Bluetooth. Your Zigbee network is reliable if it is strong. Making a strong Zigbee network means many powered devices that also act as routers (some call it repeaters). In my house I have one or two Zigbee Smart Switches in every room. Every Zigbee device is within 15-20 ft from another device. Ever since adding the smart switches my Zigbee network has been rock solid.

None of my Zigbee switches control dimmable LEDs. Just simple on-off.

Z-Wave transmits with a bit more power than Zigbee, but similarly more repeater devices (most smart switches are also repeaters) makes for a stronger Z-Wave network. You just don’t need as many.

All of my dimmable LEDs are on Z-Wave switches.

This doesn’t look right. Draw a basic wiring diagram of how the switches and lights are connected.

One switch controls two light bulbs, and three switches control one bulb each. I think it’s straightforward, they just wired my place with a lot of separate switches.

I didn’t know you could use multiple Zigbee switches. Do you need to connect them to anything other than power? I’m afraid I don’t know much about this. Is there a guide I should be consulting?

You can have as many Zigbee Switches as you need. They only need to be powered and Home Assistant can trigger an automation on the switch action of any of them.

Home Assistant is organic. It will grow as you go down the rabbit hole. Here is what my rather simple Zigbee network looks like:

I’ll second the Zooz option. They’re relatively cheap but very reliable devices. While Zigbee interference with WiFi can be overcome, it’s a non-issue for Z-Wave since it operates in the 900 Mhz band (unless your neighbors happen to have a hobby of collecting and using old wireless equipment). This, of course, depends on where in the world you live.

Technically, it’s desense, not interference. Zigbee is operating at a lower power level than WiFi, so nearby WiFi devices will be “louder”. Since they are typically on the same frequency band, a Zigbee device can’t hear communications with other Zigbee devices if a WiFi device is shouting louder.

Here’s an analogy- Imagine you are in a room full of people speaking two different languages. (WiFi and Zigbee). But the WiFi group is shouting at each other quite loudly making it difficult for the Zigbee group to hear each other. Once in a while there is a pause from the WiFi speakers and the Zigbee speakers can hear each other briefly. This is how interference is perceived.

That’s why a lot of Zigbee router devices in the network makes a Zigbee network more robust,

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Technically, desense is caused by interference. To quote the article you linked.

“It refers to a situation where the sensitivity of a wireless receiver to incoming signals is reduced due to electromagnetic interference.”

But thanks for the unnecessary “correction.”

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I just want to bring a different (not better or worse, just different) POV to this discussion.

What I read, you already have some lights, that you’d like to use. The important difference, not only for your start, is how you’d like to control these lights.

One way, you change your switches/dimmers to a smart variant. Doesn’t matter for now, if Zigbee, Z-Wave or even Wifi. This gives you the possibility, to control these via HA and the physical switch/dimmer.
The other way is to change the bulbs to a smart variant. Here you can control the bulb by HA, but not by your physical switch. Another disadvantage, if someone turns the physical switch off, your smart bulb isn’t smart anymore, because it has literally no power.

Where you’re going from here, is entirely your choice, as it depends a lot on what you want to invest. And it depends on what you want to change in your home. Don’t worry, this is not a “do or die” choice, you can always work with both things.

I’ll give you an example from my home: where I want/need to switch things, even when my HA is down, I use Shelly switches and dimmers. They control my lights, and make them smart (=> simple bulb, not smart). I use this for the “main” lights, that I need to be able to switch, whenever I want. If HA is up, fine, if not, fine as well, I (and more important all others in the household) can still turn the lights on and off.

On the other hand, I have a small light on my sideboard in the hallway. This light is mostly decoration, so I don’t need to be able to control it, without HA. This is just a simple lamp with a smart bulb. :slight_smile:

In my opinion, this is the first thing, you have to decide, before you start thinking on how to build that in your home.

After that, one (we) can give a more solid advice, on what to use (and buy). Before I forget, please post the region of the world, you’re living in. Europe is different to the US or Asia, in regard to what is available for a reasonable price. :slight_smile:

To make it easier for us, and for you, would you mind just writing down a short list, what exactly you have available, and what you want to use from that. Just give us a little insight, on how your home theatre should work in the end. Something like “1x LED stripe behind the TV, no need to physically control it”, “1x Light with smart bulb, needs to be available without HA”. You get the idea. :laughing:

As I said, which system(s) you use later on, isn’t important for now. This comes with availability and costs. So let’s see first, where you want to go, and then we can see, which system fits your needs best. :slight_smile:

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Thanks, Patrick. I want to replace my switches with smart dimmers. I don’t want to use smart bulbs. I have one switch for each of these:

  1. A pair of wall-mounted lights on either side of the TV.
  2. A light that will be wall-mounted on the left wall. It will plug into an outlet that is controlled by a light-switch.
  3. Back-left pot-light.
  4. Back-middle pot-light.
  5. Back-right pot-light.

I guess I want five switches, not four! Four of those are in four-switch boxes, but I don’t want to replace all of the switches in the box.

I’m in Canada.

I guess I should have included all of that info to start with. I’m sorry about that.

The best dimmer I have is the Shelly one, just works and works. Just wire it in the back of each existing light switch.

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Do those Shelly dimmers require that the existing switches are dimmers? I’ll be replacing on/off switches with dimmers.

No, I don’t have a regular dimmer, just the Shelly.

This is what my light switches look like. I would like to make some of the switches in that group controllable by my Home Assistant Yellow. Could I have Shelly Dimmers wired into something like that? I like the idea because it wouldn’t make it look like a mismatched group of switches. Exactly what product would I need to buy to put in the switches and what other hardware would I need?

Thanks.

Yes.

Shelly dimmers.

If you want to dim with the wall switches (as opposed to HA) then replacing those with momentary switches would be better. Same form factor in terms of look. The dimmer has a number of modes

I assume from the picture you’re north America… Most north American smart switching manufacturers (GE /Jasco, Inovelli, zooz, etc.) have that form factor - in fact it’s the default. It’s called Decora. The Decora name is trademarked so you’ll look for ‘deco’ or ‘paddle style’ yes you can also put a Shelly behind but the switches are also able to be replaced by a device from most of the top manufacturers that would supply you.

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@NathanCu Yes, I am in North America (Canada). Do you have any specific products to recommend for “Decora” switches?

@nickrout Are there different models of Shelly Dimmers available? Is there any specific model I should be looking for? Do they use ZigBee, ZWave or something else? What controllers should I use with the Shelly Dimmers? Thanks.

They use wifi. There was only one model when I bought mine. You’ll have to do your own research on what models are currently available.