Same, but just with counters
We’ve never used YAML to create them, always created in the GUI helper section.
I thought it might be a legacy issue with old ones upgrading through versions of HA, so created a test one and it’s the same. And now I can’t delete it 
Thought it may be due to omitting it from recorder, but tested with it enabled again and no change
All other helpers seem to be ok. It’s just the counters