I’ll agree with that there is still a giant gap between the target and the reality 
Will that actually change a day? Not before they hire an actual community manager, imho…
There is just nothing between devs and average users, nowadays. If the community would suddenly decide to “go on strike”, support to users would exactly amount to zero
The same argument goes for what if the users find a more open-minded less aggressive development community? Nabula Casa would cease to exist.
The gap between the core community and actual users ( not developers, just tinkerers ) is a fragile balance.
It seems to me that nobody is taking the communication serious and honestly being proud that all communication is spread over several platforms is not a plus.
Way to much arrogance is used in the language to communicate with each other for sure by some moderators.
The task of a moderator is to keep peace and the conversation civilised.
The founder needs an income to live from and for sure is not God. His project does need users, ordinary users to remain successful.
I think I misjudged this project totally, for sure the community that is maintaining it.
Go on strike Chris. I don’t care. I’m capable enough to create something to fur fill my own needs in regards to a smart home. 
I’m not an ordinary user. I probably wrote assembler when you weren’t even around.
You feel in a position of power and you are threatening your userbase.
Your founder will be proud of your actions.
Nabu Casa? Maybe. Home Assistant? Certainly not.
As long as a project has developers, it’s alive and kicking, even without users.
A project without devs, otoh, is doomed.
Oh, I wouldn’t be so sure. I was writing MVS assembler about 35 yrs ago.
Hold on your horses, I’m nobody around here, and have zero power.
Unfortunately, my founders passed away some years ago, already.
I have a funeral to attend to this Saturday of a family member.
I’ve said what I felt needed to be pointed out.
Shay Levi did the right thing to pick up the GPIO issue and created a solution for a need.
For me that is a real community developer. He didn’t waste words on it.
The comment about the moderation was in general. Not directly pointed towards you.
Have a nice day/night,
Erik
edit ( grammar )
Please point out exactly where my words are arrogant.
I’m simply telling you that discussions about code are only going to happen on GitHub. That’s something that is not up for discussion. I didn’t make that decision, I’m just the messenger. Sorry that my words upset you but I’ve had to repeat myself multiple times in this thread and other threads.
As a user you’ll have to conform to the HA development process to get in early on the discussion or wait until the blog posts on the website.
Only 35? I think it was a couple years ago more than that for me. I did enjoy that old re-entrant, serially-reusable code though. Wrote quite a few interfaces in that.
How about 8080 Assembler? So much cooler than the older, 4-bit processors! But I never liked the lack of software registers like the 9900 had. Too bad that architecture went nowhere. How about CPM? Hard-formatted 8" floppy disks? S-100 Bus?
Good to hear from some other old-timers who used to program down on the bare silicone. These high-level languages and scripting languages seem so distant from the hardware, yet some folks become full of themselves because they know Java or Python.
But seriously, it’s nice to see the wide spectrum of skills and experiences in this project. And a good reminder not to look down on anyone or be too dismissive of their ideas. Their experiences might not be the same as ours, but that doesn’t make their input less valuable.
The computer at my high school had a teletype machine attached and ran BASIC.
But later I did Z80 assembler and forth. Not much, just enough to lock the machine up 
now theres an oldie
Memories! Our high school had a terminal to the “big” computer at the local university. You punched your program onto paper tape on one machine, then fed the tape into the terminal. Our middle school class visited and created a “Hello World” program. Not exactly “real” coding, but I did operate a keypunch machine with 80-column IBM cards for real in later life.
Who you callin’ old???
haha both.
Tangental from the thread subject- About two years ago I switched from a Pi3 to an Intel NUC i5 and running HA OS. Best move ever. Today, a reboot of the server takes less than 30 seconds. A Node-Red deploy takes less than 5 seconds. My database size is a non-issue since I have 500Gb of SSD. (I was told that this was way overkill, but the difference from 250Gb to 500Gb was like $35).
The Amstrad 6128 computer had a 180k floppy drive and ran CP/M.
We saved work on the school computer onto punchtape.
we had a mix of Mr sugars offerings and BBC-b at school. The main computer system was a RM Linx 380z/480z. Then messed around on ICL stuff after school
Dear god I wasn’t even born when half of that stuff you guys talk about existed 
But I did a lot of shader ASM and microcode on GPUs, ha ! But even that now moved to a C/C++ like language. Bare silicon programming still exists, it’s just a lot more niche.
Loose change sorter?
/s
Wait. What?
Yeah, I’m not that old. My school had modern green dumb terminals 
Not so good old time when you typed in your program, submitted the JCL, and came back the day after to see the result of the compilation… On paper, ofc
I believe the Pi4 has about the same specs.
I’m sure Node red deployment is much les than 5 seconds, probably more like one or two.
But restart, not sure.
Can try it when I get home on Friday but I believe 30 or less seconds.
