Installing Home Assistant Supervised using Debian 12

KingRichard · August 3, 2023, 1:52am

honestly, it gives me more control on HA side and furthermore and the most important thing is to be able to install auto Google backup which only can run on HAOS or HA Supervised. Else I will go with the docker method and install everything else on a separate LXC.

kanga_who · August 3, 2023, 3:15am

How? I’d be really interested to know

Tamsy · August 4, 2023, 1:37am

I would be very interested in this too and am willing to rethink my HA installation strategy to get that claimed even more control over HA

guymungdung · August 4, 2023, 1:47am

WARNING this line bricks debian 12 installs ability to connect to net.
sudo apt install apparmor jq wget curl udisks2 libglib2.0-bin network-manager dbus lsb-release systemd-journal-remote systemd-resolved -y

everything after results in Temporary failure resolving 'deb.debian.org'
cant even ping a domain like github.com

Ended up reformating and reinstalling debian 12 to resolve the issue, then followed these instructions again to brick the system again.

kanga_who · August 4, 2023, 1:50am

It’s not an issue with those instructions - they are required for a Supervised installation.

I believe the issue is with the systemd-resolved package and a fix is posted above, outside of the control of HA.

guymungdung · August 4, 2023, 1:52am

can you point me towards this fix? there are 1085 replies and the thread loads via ajax infinite scroll so its a bit hard to search for anything relevant.

Tamsy · August 4, 2023, 2:06am

Should be THIS.

guymungdung · August 4, 2023, 2:10am

Thank you. Much apreciated

avd706 · August 7, 2023, 3:53pm

Because you can

petro · August 7, 2023, 3:58pm

Just because you can doesn’t mean you should

Oli2128 · August 18, 2023, 9:37pm

Edit your /etc/systemd/resolved.conf configuration.

DNS=ip.ip.ip.ip

After this, restart resolved with systemctl restart systemd-resolved.service

ngocdungvn · August 27, 2023, 4:42am

Help me. i using Armbian

Tamsy · August 27, 2023, 4:52am

[error] Armbian 23.08.0-trunk bookworm is not supported!

github.com

home-assistant/architecture/blob/b85484512dd8f27338c6ae2ff28e9a7cf78abb2f/adr/0014-home-assistant-supervised.md

# 0014. Installation method: Home Assistant Supervised

Date: 2020-06-03

## Status

Accepted

## Context

Define a supported installation method as per [ADR-0012](https://github.com/home-assistant/architecture/blob/master/adr/0012-define-supported-installation-method.md).

## Decision

This installation method provides the full Home Assistant experience on a regular operating system. This means, all components from the Home Assistant method are used, except for the Home Assistant Operating System. This system will run the Home Assistant Supervisor. The Supervisor is not just an application, it is a full appliance that manages the whole system. It will clean up, repair or reset settings to default if they no longer match expected values.

By not using the Home Assistant Operating System, the user is responsible for making sure that all required components are installed and maintained. Required components and their versions will change over time. Home Assistant Supervised is provided as-is as a foundation for community supported do-it-yourself solutions. We only accept bug reports for issues that have been reproduced on a freshly installed, fully updated Debian with no additional packages.

This method is considered advanced and should only be used if one is an expert in managing a Linux operating system, Docker and networking.

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Wondering though why you are still insiting on installing HA Supervised on an unsupported OS.

There are only two supported operating systems to run the Supervisor on:

Home Assistant OS
Debian 12 (Bookworm)

These operating systems are actively tested and maintained, for use with the Supervisor.

Simply asking your favorite search engine would have told you the very same…

ngocdungvn · August 27, 2023, 8:01am

Armbian 23.08.0-trunk bookworm is built on top of Debian 12. I’m looking for a solution

kanga_who · August 27, 2023, 8:14am

Read the ADR

BebeMischa · August 27, 2023, 9:54am

So, which of the two words “no derivatives” do you don’t understand?


    Docker CE >= 20.10.17
    Systemd >= 239
    NetworkManager >= 1.14.6
    udisks2 >= 2.8
    AppArmor == 2.13.x (built into the kernel)
    Debian Linux Debian 12 aka Bookworm (no derivatives)
    Home Assistant OS-Agent (Only the latest release is supported)

GSzabados · August 30, 2023, 5:50pm

To be honest, I don’t really get the whole point of not allowing an SSH server as default, especially if the host should be supervised. Is it just to conflict interests?

Without SSH server - Supervised, supported, but needs a monitor and keyboard, so cannot be headless.
With SSH server - Supervised, unsupported, no need for monitor and keyboard, so can be headless.

Even the Home Assistant OS provides a way to access the host system through SSH by utilising dropbear. Why dropbear can’t be used with a Supervised install as well and stay supported?

Can someone explain this? What is the point of that?

123 · August 30, 2023, 7:09pm

Here’s why I think they did that (just my opinion of course).

A few years ago the development team announced that, due to a shortage of resources, they would stop offering Home Assistant Supervised. In other words, it would cease to exist as an official installation method.

The community was displeased with the decision and, after much discussion, the compromise was to support Home Assistant Supervised on Debian only and with strict limitations on what else could run on the host machine, namely nothing else because the machine should be dedicated to running Home Assistant software.

The reason is that other software may interfere with Home Assistant’s operation and the development team doesn’t have the bandwidth to study the affects of all possible external influences. If the community had refused these terms, there would be no official Home Assistant Supervised installation method.

FWIW, I run SSH and Samba servers on my host machine. I know that, technically speaking, this violates the guidelines. However, based on experience, these services have no, or negligible, impact on Home Assistant’s operation. They’re available as Add-ons but I prefer having them separate from Home Assistant’s ecosystem. Given that they’re available as Add-ons, I’m comfortable with the fact I haven’t installed anything that is significantly different from what Home Assistant already supports.

GSzabados · August 30, 2023, 10:30pm

My problem is supervising a Supervised installation without connecting a monitor and keyboard. And for the sake of requirements keep it supported.
So the options which I see are, go on another level of virtualisation (like Proxmox) to be able to supervise the Supervised installation, or get a hardware which has a built in IPMI or similar solution. But generally why to overengineer it. (I don’t have the hardware and try to keep it simple…)

BebeMischa · August 30, 2023, 10:34pm

Supervised runs just fine headless, nothing, you can’t maintain thru SSH.