Is matter open, or secretly closed in an effort to shut us down

[orange-assistant]

@WallyR

But there is an option to also plug in a BT radio dedicated to the Matter server in the HA server and use that to set up the device instead, which does not require those Google and Apple services.

Interesting. Probably 95%+ actually do (for practical reasons) use their phone for commissioning - do they all onboard into google/apple cloud fabric automagically and then share it to HA afterwards? Does this result in all the matter devices “locally” connected/shared to HA actually permanently phoning to google/apple sharing their wellbeing/states?

@dandanache

Google and Meta, and to a lesser extent Apple and Amazon, use our personal information as the primary fuel for their business models.

Not sure where the myth comes from that apple (or amazon) wouldn’t cashify all their available data streams (matter? ) they have access to… I remember some old study and their was litteraly no difference between androids and iphones which both spying on their users massively

@orange-assistant

Mobile Handset Privacy: Measuring The Data iOS and Android Send to Apple And Google

Abstract — We investigate what data iOS on an iPhone shares
with Apple and what data Google Android on a Pixel phone
shares with Google. We find that even when minimally configured
and the handset is idle both iOS and Google Android share
data with Apple/Google on average every 4.5 mins. The phone
IMEI, hardware serial number, SIM serial number and IMSI,
handset phone number etc are shared with Apple and Google.
Both iOS and Google Android transmit telemetry, despite the
user explicitly opting out of this. When a SIM is inserted both
iOS and Google Android send details to Apple/Google. iOS sends
the MAC addresses of nearby devices, e.g. other handsets and
the home gateway, to Apple together with their GPS location.
Users have no opt out from this and currently there are few, if
any, realistic options for preventing this data sharing.

https://www.scss.tcd.ie/doug.leith/apple_google.pdf

@peterxian

possible to have open source Matter controllers, such as HA, which in turn means it’s possible, in theory, to modify the server to disable device attestation if it’s a feature you don’t want.

Disable device attestation in the HA matter server would probably lead it to directly loose certification because of matter specification violation

It’s actually very theoretic “owning” matter device