Is matter open, or secretly closed in an effort to shut us down

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@WallyR

And you do still not need a vendor specific app to set up a Matter device.

I hear differently from wide and far

@Hedda

Nuki is an example here which got a Matter device certified, yet it requires that you first install the Nuki app

@Hedda

Nuki or whoever makes their app in the future could also start requiring cloud login to use their app.

Both allowed by the matter standard

@Hedda

require the device manufacturers own apps to be installed or configured, as such apps may be removed from Apple and Google app stores in the future which makes the device useless.

Your device works as long some (random) app from an company is available via some other companies app store which you need a certain device supporting it