I’m having great success with the Xiaomi switches, but wonder if these kinetic switches and receivers may be an interesting alternative:
EG:
Anyone bought one of these to try? Can the receiver be flashed with something that can cut out the suppliers cloud? Is it a “sonoff” inside?
(UK supplied equivalent)
https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Index/Wiring_Accessories_Menu_Index/Quinetic/index.html
Thanks
J
They look interesting!
They use the Tuya cloud. So it would be very unlikely for you to be able to flash tasmota to it.
From what I see they are stand alone devices and don’t rely on any conventional networking capability or Internet connectivity.
Probably not able to connect to HA.
Famous last words but I hope someone can prove me wrong.
They are Tuya Wifi devices. It says so right there in the title.
Tuya is a cloud platform known for its anti-hardware-hacking stance.
For anyone in the UK who is interested, some of the Quinetic branded (TLC brand?) WiFi switches have an ESP8266 (specifically either a tywe2s or tywe3s) inside so they can be flashed with tasmota running in TuyaMCU mode, it does require some surgery however. (You need to flash the wi-fi module directly, it’s a little daughter board inside, it won’t work with tasmotise).
The main chip in these units is a 433 MHz to receive signals from kinetic switches, and handles the pairing to those and stuff, it reports the switch status to tasmota and tasmota can switch it via the wi-fi, I have about 15 working perfectly for over a year so far. (I have used the QU RW01 and the QU RW03).
Unfortunately it looks like the newer ones like the QU RWM1 appear to have been changed to a Tuya proprietary wifi module (WB2S) and cannot be flashed :-(. They are the same size and pinout as the TYWE2S, you can swap ones of those in and it does work, but a bit of a PITA.
Thanks for sharing this information, do you have a more detailed write up how to achieve the tasmota flash please?
I used a cheap usb serial converter from ebay (red FTDI thing with 3.3/5 selector jumper, needs to be 3.3V for the ESP modules). I ended up desoldering the little ESP board from the PCB. (I think the Quinetic MCU will interfere with the flashing process, you can hold it’s reset pin low or high to stop it from booting but I found it easier to just remove the ESP for the flashing.)
Then follow these instructions: TYWE3S - Tasmota
You need to solder little jumper wire from the header on the USB serial thing to the module:
VCC-> 3V3
GND → GND & GPIO0 (to put it bootloader mode)
TX → RX
RX → TX
Flash tasmota using tasmotizer or tasmota web flash tool
Once it’s flashed and verified, remove the USB and desolder GPIO0 and replug the USB check it boots and you should see a Tasmota wifi network appear (will take a few seconds to boot), this will show flash was successful.
Desolder the rest of the wires and resolder back in to the Quinetic module, I think it’s keyed so it will only go one way.
Then put the case back together and power up with mains power, you should see the tasmota network appear.
Connect to the network and it will redirect to the tasmota setup page, connect it to your wi-fi and configure module as type 54 (TuyaMCU). The basic relay ones just work after that, the dimmer ones need a bit more tasmota commands to make them work properly, just follow the dimmer instructions here TuyaMCU - Tasmota
Found this guide, this unit looks identical to the Quinetic one.
https://tasmota.github.io/docs/devices/ERC309-Kinetic-Switch/
Really appreciate that detailed explanation. Thanks.
I have these same switches and a Qu Gate receiver / wifi gateway. I was hoping to link them up so that the switches could toggle a smart bulb without needing a relay. Unfortunately smartlife/tuya is pants and can only turn a bulb to on or off with no reverse state option seen on switches. Without this the only way I have found is to have a double switch where 1 side turns the bulb on amd the other turns it off.
The qugate and switches are visible on home assistant but cannot see any actions to use so no way to do anything useful. Is a big shame as these would be the perfect solution to control of smart bulbs. I believe they can even hold to adjust brightness if someone was able to dig around a bit…
Submitted a request for help here but no activity Kinetic switchs (unsupported) · Issue #813 · tuya/tuya-home-assistant · GitHub
Resurrect this thread. I have got the Gateway and setup some RF light receivers, switches and IR sensors in the Kinectic phone app (the Smart Life white label one - that has the RF Gateway available - the Smart Life App didn’t have the RF Gateway available). Now trying to add this to HA via the Tuya Integration.
I do have a Smart Life account on email A and a Kinetic account with email B. I tried to add the Kinetic account to the Tuya integration but when I try scanning the QR, the Kinetic app says to use the original app. I scan with SmartLife and it passes. However, the Tuya integration seems to pick up the SmartLife hub with no devices, and not any of my Quinetic Gateway and devices.
How did you manage to get the QU Gate etc into HA?
Have you tried restarting home assistant? It should automatically sync all devices at start. I was finding though they were visible, there was nothing I could do with them!
Hi been looking at the uk brand Quinetic. Does any one know if i can just capture and use the switch signal with a rxfcom recover?
Thanks
I don’t know about the rfxcom receiver specifically, but I did attempt to capture some codes from a generic RF harvesting switch with an ESP board I had working on my RF doorbell and didn’t have any luck with any of the sniffer libraries I tried. Couldn’t get any further because nothing I did gave me any logging.
looks promising, ive ordered the parts and will let you know if it works