Avoid the Synology for ha !! Runs it on your Pi4 with a good SD card and you’ll have a pretty good starting configuration If you can put your PI on a UPS to avoid sudden reboot due to power loss as you may damage earlier than expected the SD card !
there is also option to use your synology as storage for logs and db. Install maria db and use nfs share (where you can set your config dir to) , that way your sd card is spared and even in the event of fail, your syno has full ha data to just start up your next sd and be done without losing anything.
the maria db also speeds up ha responsiveness
so without investing more money, your system will be way more resilient
@Baujahr70 - Similar experience with the above. The HW on the latest Synology DS220+ or Qnap 253D are comparable - both in theory should be capable of running HA just fine. But when it comes to HA, the VM / docker implementation from Synology requires a couple of hoops you have to jump through, and still no guarantee. On the other hand with QNAP, VM install is just a breeze with HA’s standard ova image - you could probably spin up an initial HAOS VM install with QNAP in 10-15 minutes.
Then there’s price differences you have to consider.
The other (non-VM) software on Synology is probably more polished than their QNAP equivalents. But then both are polish enough.
Consider all the responses here, what I am trying to say is that you have options.
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Maybe you can try both Pi4 with SSD route and a new NAS route?
Synology will always limit what you can do on system and may actively impeded it or drop support. They are also expensive when compared to things like NUC or even rack servers(used/refurb) that offer better performance and expansion capability
Synology is great for storage but I would look at your long term needs before replace or buy anything.
I would say the important thing is to get a system that will be supported in the future also.
Raspis will for sure be supported, but the SSD expansions might not.
NUCs will probably be supported too.
Rack servers are a bit more uncertain, since its usually a commercially product that follow the security requirements of that enviroment, so once the security requirements are not met anymore, then the userbase drops drastically and therefore the support too.
Old laptops of bigger brands are usually supported for a long time on linux, but more obscure brands are not.
I am personally using a 5y old HP fanless laptop.
It has SSD, wifi, LAN, several USB ports and the battery function as a USP.
I went with that because I got it dirt cheap, due to the screen being cracked and it was a touchscreen, so replacing that was not really worth it.
Because the screen was only cracked, then it was still somewhat functioning in the left half and that was important, since HP often only initiate the onboard monitor when entering the BIOS. Dell and Lenovo often initiate both onboard and external monitor when entering BIOS, but be sure to check that if you go down this road.
I had tried something similar with another old laptop with a
I’m running a Pi4 w SSD drive for over a year now with ZERO issues. There are lots of threads on how to configure this and I highly recommend this approach. I run a pretty big configuration as you can see from my “Counters” card. Counters
alarm_control_panel: (1)
automation: (279)
binary_sensor: (100)
calendar: (3)
camera: (6)
climate: (2)
config_editor: (1)
device_tracker: (6)
fan: (1)
group: (24)
input_boolean: (101)
input_datetime: (23)
input_number: (86)
input_select: (16)
input_text: (5)
light: (43)
lock: (3)
media_player: (8)
person: (2)
proximity: (2)
remote: (2)
scene: (7)
script: (266)
sensor: (530)
sun: (1)
switch: (66)
timer: (1)
var: (24)
weather: (1)
zone: (14)
And, in case you’re wondering, here is the code to paste into a Markdown Card to get this functionality.
**Counters** {% set unique_domains = states | map(attribute='domain') |list | unique | list -%} {%- for domain in unique_domains -%} {{"\n"}}- {{domain}}
{%- for item in states[domain]%}
{%- if loop.first -%}
: ({{loop.length}})
{%- endif %}
{%- endfor %}
{%- endfor -%} {{"\n"}}
Hey @kartcon Ive been using the “start time” integration and it is quite revealing what takes time to boot,
While my Pi4 is really dormant most of the time, its like back in the DOS 3.1 days where config.sys and autoexec.bat needed to be refined to improve boot times.
Right now Im looking at alternatives for hardware that is way speedier than a Pi4 and a M.2 (cos its BW limited thru the USB3 port) cos it feels like back when we were running Pi3’s w SD cards…
From the results - Personally I was suprised at the boot time of the mobile app
@ 124tampines11
So after studying your load times and reviewing my own, I can say that my startup is significantly longer than yours, but based on the number of sensor/automations/scripts I have i can live with a ~3-4 minute start up. I auto-restart every Sunday around 4am so I’m never more that a week old in terms of a fresh restart.
On the positive side, my system is VERY responsive with little or no noticeable lag on batched events (groups of lights for example). I also have an extensive morning briefing that routinely ‘speaks’ for upwards of 60-80 seconds. All these things happen daily with a 99.9% certainty.
Overall I’m very happy with the Pi4 and SSD setup and would continue to recommend it as an inexpensive and solid platform. Just for giggles, here is my startup list. My biggest hogs are:
Mobile App 43 sec
Momentary Switch 67 secs but used extensively in my code
MultiScrape is slow but we actually use the data it collects
NOAA Tide is ugly slow but we live right on the water so I live with it.
Ping checks 35 devices, so fairly slow at 33 sec
Vera is my Z-Wave interface and it loads nearly 100 sensors, so 42 sec is acceptable
AdGuard Home 21.41 s
AirVisual 15.74 s
Alarm control panel 0.68 s
Ambient Weather Station 4.70 s
Analytics 0.04 s
Home Assistant API 0.52 s
Auth 0.57 s
Automation 0.79 s
Avanza Stock 4.27 s
Bayesian 2.41 s
Binary sensor 1.07 s
Blueprint 0.37 s
Calendar 0.02 s
Camera 4.03 s
Climate 0.06 s
Home Assistant Cloud 0.14 s
CO2 Signal 6.68 s
Command Line 6.74 s
Configuration 0.68 s
Config Editor 1.10 s
Configurator 0.49 s
Counter 7.60 s
Cupertino Icons 1.28 s
Dark Sky 6.16 s
Default Config 1.29 s
Delete 1.73 s
Device Automation 0.56 s
Device tracker 0.36 s
DHCP Discovery 1.98 s
Energy 2.99 s
Fan 0.31 s
File 19.33 s
File Size 4.23 s
Flux LED/MagicHome 9.76 s
Folder 2.99 s
Home Assistant Frontend 0.01 s
Generic Camera 2.10 s
Google Calendars 10.74 s
Google Cloud Platform
Group 11.36 s
HACS 13.95 s
Home Assistant Supervisor 7.02 s
History 2.14 s
History Stats 4.72 s
Home Assistant Core Integration 6.24 s
HTTP 0.05 s
Image 0.09 s
Input boolean 10.44 s
Input datetime 10.37 s
Input number 10.54 s
Input select 12.15 s
Input text 11.99 s
Home Assistant iOS 3.10 s
International Space Station (ISS) 3.21 s
LIFX 4.99 s
Light 0.40 s
Local IP Address 6.49 s
Lock 0.07 s
Logbook 1.36 s
Logger 0.01 s
Lovelace 0.65 s
Manual 4.55 s
Map 0.25 s
Media player 0.44 s
Media Source 1.36 s
Min/Max 2.94 s
MJPEG IP Camera 0.90 s
Mobile App 43.86 s
Momentary Switch Component 67.30 s
Moon 2.98 s
Multiscrape scraping component 58.67 s
My Home Assistant 0.41 s
Network Configuration 4.53 s
NOAA Tides 68.03 s
Notifications 8.10 s
OctoPrint 10.40 s
Home Assistant Onboarding 0.00 s
Open Route Service travel time 6.79 s
Persistent Notification
Person 0.89 s
Ping (ICMP) 33.89 s
Prowl 3.37 s
Proximity 0.42 s
Rachio 9.49 s
Recorder 0.17 s
Redfin 3.80 s
Remote 0.10 s
RESTful 20.63 s
Roku 12.88 s
Raspberry Pi Power Supply Checker 6.07 s
Scene 5.45 s
Script 0.42 s
Search 0.01 s
Season 3.00 s
Sensor 0.12 s
Siren 0.27 s
SleepIQ 7.92 s
Sonos 3.04 s
SpaceX Launches and Starman 10.75 s
Speedtest.net 9.63 s
Simple Service Discovery Protocol (SSDP) 0.11 s
Stream 0.07 s
Sun 2.13 s
Switch 0.47 s
Synology DSM 10.08 s
System Health 2.90 s
System Log 0.01 s
System Monitor 3.09 s
Tag 3.19 s
Template 16.99 s
Time & Date 1.72 s
Timer 12.58 s
Trace 1.10 s
Trend 2.15 s
Text-to-Speech (TTS) 2.69 s
UniFi Gateway 4.24 s
Updater 2.88 s
UPnP/IGD 6.77 s
Uptime 1.73 s
USB Discovery 0.03 s
Utility Meter 4.45 s
Variable 5.04 s
Vera 42.30 s
Version 4.52 s
VoiceRSS
Wake on LAN 5.19 s
Weather 0.04 s
Weatheralerts 12.27 s
Weatherbit 8.88 s
Webhook 0.50 s
LG webOS Smart TV 10.49 s
Home Assistant WebSocket API 0.50 s
Worldclock 4.62 s
Yahoo Finance 13.49 s
Zero-configuration networking (zeroconf) 0.87 s
Zone 9.47 s
TBH, I thought mine was slow… but yours is a completely different beast.
Its interesting some of the load times isnt it - I mean things like ping etc possibly have some latency that need to be accounted for BUT things like timer @12.58s and the Pi power checker @6.07s vs. zeroconf at less than a second.
I did notice that there is very little consistency in the times in my instance - some boots can take over 90s and some can be complete in as little as 30s so im not too sure as to the accuracy of this integration, but if it is accurate - it is insightful and gives us an idea as to where speed improvements can be made possibly in code (Im assuming the momentary switch is 3rd party - thats truly eye watering in time). The vera time I understand - they are notoriously slow in hardware (I came from vera to HA because Vera was so painfully slow)
Would also be good if there was a way of disabling unused services.
Integrations
Setup time
AdGuard Home
adguard Documentation Issues 7.86 s
Alarm control panel
alarm_control_panel Documentation Issues 0.14 s
Analytics
analytics Documentation Issues 0.02 s
Home Assistant API
api Documentation Issues 0.13 s
APSystems PV solar ECU-R
apsystems_ecur Documentation 4.38 s
Auth
auth Documentation Issues 0.12 s
Automation
automation Documentation Issues 1.09 s
Binary sensor
binary_sensor Documentation Issues 0.06 s
Blueprint
blueprint Documentation Issues 0.39 s
Browser mod
browser_mod Documentation 3.81 s
Buienradar
buienradar Documentation Issues 3.38 s
Camera
camera Documentation Issues 0.95 s
Google Cast
cast Documentation Issues 0.36 s
Climate
climate Documentation Issues 0.06 s
Home Assistant Cloud
cloud Documentation Issues 0.02 s
CO2 Signal
co2signal Documentation Issues 1.74 s
Configuration
config Documentation Issues 0.18 s
Counter
counter Documentation Issues 1.79 s
Cover
cover Documentation Issues 0.47 s
CryptoState
cryptostate Documentation Issues 2.75 s
deepstack face custom integration
deepstack_face Documentation 0.37 s
Default Config
default_config Documentation Issues 0.62 s
Delete
delete Documentation Issues 1.07 s
Device Automation
device_automation Documentation Issues 0.11 s
Device tracker
device_tracker Documentation Issues 0.14 s
DHCP Discovery
dhcp Documentation Issues 0.13 s
Energy
energy Documentation Issues 0.61 s
Honeywell Total Connect Comfort (Europe)
evohome Documentation Issues 6.47 s
Forecast.Solar
forecast_solar Documentation Issues 3.52 s
Home Assistant Frontend
frontend Documentation Issues 0.00 s
Generic Camera
generic Documentation Issues 0.66 s
Google Translate Text-to-Speech
google_translate Documentation Issues
Group
group Documentation Issues 1.62 s
HACS
hacs Documentation Issues 4.32 s
Logitech Harmony Hub
harmony Documentation Issues 17.28 s
Home Assistant Supervisor
hassio Documentation Issues 4.72 s
History
history Documentation Issues 0.51 s
Home Assistant Core Integration
homeassistant Documentation Issues 0.84 s
HTTP
http Documentation Issues 0.04 s
Philips Hue
hue Documentation Issues 5.11 s
Image
image Documentation Issues 0.03 s
Image processing
image_processing Documentation Issues 0.04 s
Input boolean
input_boolean Documentation Issues 1.24 s
Input datetime
input_datetime Documentation Issues 2.00 s
Input number
input_number Documentation Issues 2.93 s
Input select
input_select Documentation Issues 1.21 s
Input text
input_text Documentation Issues 1.24 s
Integration - Riemann sum integral
integration Documentation Issues 0.90 s
KNMI
knmi Documentation Issues 4.11 s
Kodi
kodi Documentation Issues 1.91 s
Light
light Documentation Issues 0.16 s
Logbook
logbook Documentation Issues 0.92 s
Logger
logger Documentation Issues 0.42 s
Lovelace
lovelace Documentation Issues 0.23 s
Manual
manual Documentation Issues 1.54 s
Map
map Documentation Issues 0.30 s
Media player
media_player Documentation Issues 0.20 s
Media Source
media_source Documentation Issues 0.97 s
Mobile App
mobile_app Documentation Issues 16.24 s
My Home Assistant
my Documentation Issues 0.29 s
Netatmo
netatmo Documentation Issues 7.10 s
Network Configuration
network Documentation Issues 0.61 s
Notifications
notify Documentation Issues 2.22 s
Number
number Documentation Issues 0.08 s
Home Assistant Onboarding
onboarding Documentation Issues 0.00 s
OpenWeatherMap
openweathermap Documentation Issues 2.72 s
Persistent Notification
persistent_notification Documentation Issues
Person
person Documentation Issues 0.59 s
Plugwise
plugwise Documentation Issues 4.37 s
Pushbullet
pushbullet Documentation Issues 1.91 s
Recorder
recorder Documentation Issues 0.12 s
Remote
remote Documentation Issues 0.33 s
Scene
scene Documentation Issues 0.95 s
Script
script Documentation Issues 0.83 s
Search
search Documentation Issues 0.04 s
Select
select Documentation Issues 0.05 s
Sensor
sensor Documentation Issues 0.07 s
Shell Command
shell_command Documentation Issues 0.21 s
Siren
siren Documentation Issues 0.09 s
Slide
slide Documentation 6.23 s
SolarEdge
solaredge Documentation Issues 3.84 s
Speedtest.net
speedtestdotnet Documentation Issues 1.61 s
Simple Service Discovery Protocol (SSDP)
ssdp Documentation Issues 0.02 s
Statistics
statistics Documentation Issues 0.87 s
Stream
stream Documentation Issues 0.06 s
Sun
sun Documentation Issues 0.35 s
Switch
switch Documentation Issues 0.39 s
Synology DSM
synology_dsm Documentation Issues 4.93 s
System Health
system_health Documentation Issues 0.89 s
System Log
system_log Documentation Issues 0.00 s
System Monitor
systemmonitor Documentation Issues 0.87 s
Tag
tag Documentation Issues 1.85 s
Template
template Documentation Issues 0.66 s
Timer
timer Documentation Issues 1.83 s
TP-Link Kasa Smart
tplink Documentation Issues 5.80 s
Trace
trace Documentation Issues 0.51 s
Text-to-Speech (TTS)
tts Documentation Issues 0.94 s
Updater
updater Documentation Issues 0.94 s
USB Discovery
usb Documentation Issues 0.32 s
Utility Meter
utility_meter Documentation Issues 5.79 s
Weather
weather Documentation Issues 0.07 s
Webhook
webhook Documentation Issues 0.02 s
Home Assistant WebSocket API
websocket_api Documentation Issues 0.11 s
Yamaha Network Receivers
yamaha Documentation Issues 1.47 s
Zero-configuration networking (zeroconf)
zeroconf Documentation Issues 0.51 s
Zone
zone Documentation Issues 2.25 s
Z-Wave JS
zwave_js Documentation Issues 2.87 s
Keep in mind that setup time is cumulative of all of the integration instances. If you have multiple config entries they will likely be setup in parallel.
For example if you have 3 LG webOS Smart TVs the 10.49s is the cumulative time it took to set them all up even if some of them were happening at the same time. So it could mean that it took ~3.5s per instance or you had one slow one and two fast ones and it took 9s to setup one and 1.49s to setup the other two.
If you can put your PI on a UPS to avoid sudden reboot due to power loss as you may damage earlier than expected the SD card !