Need help with understanding entities from a First Alert Z-wave smoke/CO detecctor

Some of the entities coming from the First Alert combination smoke and CO detector are obvious, like Smoke detected, but others baffle me, in particular the status entities.

For example, what does Idle Smoke Alarm Alarm status mean? When I press the “button” it starts timing 1, 2, 3 seconds. What’s this all about?

Also what is the Alarm Ping function?

For your reference, here are the other more obvious entities:

It clears the corresponding sensor alert if it was triggered and out of sync, e.g. an alarm was signaled, it notified Z-Wave JS, Z-Wave JS went offline and the alarm cleared. HA would still think the alarm is active.

It pings the device to determine if it’s alive or not. You can disable it because it doesn’t work with battery devices.

@freshcoast, Thank you! I have a followup and a couple additional questions and some tips for other users:

  1. So these buttons are to manually clear or reset (or what they call “idle”) an alarm signal we received. But they are only needed if we might have missed seeing the followup that the First Alert sent which says Alarm silenced like when the smoke has finally cleared. This situation would leave the Home Assistant still thinking the smoke is present and has not gone away even though it actually has? So the Idle Smoke|CO Alarm status buttons are to fix that unlikely quagmire manually. Have I got that right?

  2. Also we have Alarm status and Sensor status buttons.

    What’s the difference between an Alarm and a Sensor? I’m guessing that an Alarm is an event that occurs when smoke or CO2 is first detected above safe levels. But then what is a Sensor? Is that perhaps true while smoke or CO2 continues to exists?

  3. And then we have CO Alarm Maintenance status and System Hardware status. What are they? And out of curiosity do they have anything to do with the Replacement required, End-of-life entity?

    And out of curiosity, should we expect that this device will just die in 7 years (it’s rated lifespan) due to engineered planned obsolescence? Hum?

    Is possibly Maintenance the requested monthly manual unit tests, i.e. by pressing the button.

    (LOL, no one gets out a ladder and does that monthly test only to have to hurt their ears, but I get this company is trying to protect themselves from law suits, so they say to do this.)

    (I sure would like to find a more robust device than this one.)


Additional Documentation found

I found what looks like another PDF for this device here: https://www.manualslib.com/download/2863944/First-Alert-Zcombo.html (It’s the same text as the micro-print rag sheet they sent with the product, that is hard for us old guys to read without a magnifying glass, but rather in a normal sized PDF page format.)

First Alert Z-Wave specifications missing

BTW, First Alert, IMHO. is not being helpful at their web site. They say in their instructions and in their web site the following: “For more information on Z-Wave specifications, visit www.firstalert.com/zwaveinfo.” But this page they refer us to at https://www.firstalert.com/zwaveinfo/ seems broken. I tried it in both Firefox and Chrome. It doesn’t seem to lead to any sort of specifications. Does anyone have a copy of these Z-Wave specifications that they refer to?

Garage use

I’m putting this in my garage to get an early warning of trouble. But note that First Alert doesn’t want it in a garage, and they don’t want it cold. So I want to fully understand how this device is suppose to work, so that if it seems to not be working I can quickly address it.

Interconnecting smoke alarms

First alert says that this device can not be interconnected.

See https://support.firstalert.com/s/article/Ways-to-Interconnect-Alarms "

Do Z-Wave alarms interconnect?
No. …

What that means is that when one device detects smoke that all devices installed in the premise scream. Normally they are physically wired together in a daisy chain. But as I recall I think the current fire code requires this interconnected functionality. So therefore, this First Alert device is not rated to be used except alone as the only single unit in a doweling, which seems very limiting.

Still, I don’t care about that for my use of it. Smoke alarms are not to detect smoke, they are to save lives.

But in my use this is to detect smoke like from a faulty lithium tool battery so that I can try to save my garage from burning down if something smokes when I’m not there. We’ll see how the welder sets it off. :wink:

First Alert’s ‘Contact us’ link is broken

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Yes.

They are notification state variables defined by the Z-Wave specification. The Idle button clears the variable. You can find all the definitions in the spec doc. https://github.com/zwave-js/specs/blob/ec1b19c13531086a5c2ff94ee9be9edde2dc0883/Registries/Notification%20Command%20Class%2C%20list%20of%20assigned%20Notifications.xlsx

And then we have CO Alarm Maintenance status and System Hardware status

Same answer as above, look in the spec doc.

I have never had the need to use any of the Idle buttons for this device.

LOL, no one gets out a ladder and does that monthly test only to have to hurt their ears, but I get this company is trying to protect themselves from law suits, so they say to do this

I test mine every month. Testing also ensure the battery levels are up-to-date, as that is the only time the levels are updated. But I don’t need a ladder either.

All smoke alarms have an expiration date, it’s not some conspiracy. It’s required by code.

https://support.firstalert.com/s/article/smoke-alarm-replacement-10yr

https://support.firstalert.com/s/article/Smoke-or-CO-Alarm-Expiration-Dates

NFPA 72, National Fire Alarm Code®, requires smoke alarms be replaced at least every 10 years

Search for a document named BRK_ZCOMBO_Z-Wave_Specification_11.0.pdf. It details the Z-Wave implementation.

That’s not really a First Alert policy. I don’t think there’s a single manufacturer that will recommend putting a smoke alarm in a garage due to all the false alarms that could occur. Might be fine in for your specific use case, but not for the general consumer.

First alert says that this device can not be interconnected.

Correct, they cannot be not interconnected, and you cannot manually trigger the siren (or silence it) via Z-Wave. I believe building code requires hard-wired interconnected smoke alarms in new construction, but in most places you can still install battery ones in old construction (I have 5 of these installed in my 1970 house). There are battery interconnected alarms, such as Battery Operated Wireless Interconnect Smoke Alarm RF-SM-DC | Kidde, just none that are Z-Wave.

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Wow, thanks for everything, and especially thanks for this battery level tip. It comes as a big surprise to me. This will be my first z-wave device, all other devices I’m using are Zigbee, and they all seem to all report battery levels more regularly.

Sure appreciate your help. Thank you.

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The alarm will still beep at you when the battery is < 77% (replacement time) and at 75% I think you’ll get a Z-Wave battery notification, you just won’t get any battery updates in-between that.

Other Z-Wave battery devices will have different reporting behavior.

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So with your help, here is my updated layout. Perhaps someone can do better, but I hope this will work for now: