Netatmo thermostat - local integration

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Dear All,

Is there a possibility to integrate Netatmo Thermostat as local device that HA be able to manage this locally?
Today morning netatmo cloud was unreachable for a while and I could set the temperature only on phisical device only.

Thanks,
Viktor

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Looks like that thermostat is HomeKit compatible, which means Home Assistant might be able to control it locally using HomeKit Controller. Go to Configuration > Integrations and see if a HomeKit device is discovered. If not, click the + button in the lower right, click HomeKit Accessory, and see if you can pair with your thermostat. A pairing code should appear on the thermostat when you go to add it this way in Home Assistant.

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Dear Tediore,

Sorry for the late response. It works fine thanks for the tip!
Of course I do not see the scheduled and another heating options but it could be a workaround if netatmo cloud does not work as it can be reachable locally.

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Yeah some device-specific features might not be available when connected via HomeKit Controller, but the addition of local control could be an acceptable trade-off.

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Hi vaktorrr

I’m trying to do the same for the Netatmo weather station, as their API is broken for the 5th time this year. I’d love to be able to query Netatmo devices locally, but when trying to use the Homekit controller integration, it only sees my Hue lights. Hence, my question to you: did you have to reset the Netatmo Thermostat when you did this? So that it wouldn’t be paired anymore?

Additionally, do I need a Apple device to make this work? Or does HA simply talk “Apple” to Netatmo over LAN?

Thnx

Lukas

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NEATMO servers down for a second time in a week. I am considering moving local as well. However, programming temperatures for rooms in time might be a quest. Have you somebody dealt with it?

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l’m with you, regarding going local.
I need to replace my main thermostat to enable Homekit, mines to old. Sadly I have invested so much changing all the radiator stats on this platform.
So disappointed with Netatmo, servers shouldn’t be failing, especially this time of year.

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I think I am giving up. First, the local cofiguration will not enable the predictive heating, which is quite a good geature but still negligible. What is not negligible is the fact that the generic climate component cannot open the valve continually but only on/off

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Thank you. Shame about the valves having a simplified way of control. I could never get on with the predictive heating, found it used more energy.
I’ll see if I can pick up a cheap Netatmo thermostat (Homekit enabled) on eBay and give local cntrl a try.

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Thinking to move one with local control of NETATMO. However, one question to @TeaMan : When you do not use predictive heating then how or when the valve gets closed when you have a thermostat on the other side of the room and the radiator has become really heated? The whole point of predictive heating is that you never heat radiator unnecessarily becase it takes time for the radiator to heat the air.

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Hi
If you have two radiators in a room (if that’s what you mean), both rads work as one.
I have a fairly big home with many rooms and found we were using more energy to get the house up to temperature, also the wife wasn’t happy when the heating was kicking in at a random time, very early in the morning and waking people up.

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No, sorry if I was not clear. We have exactly one radiator in each room.

My concern is that without predictive heating, the switch is going to be open for unnecessarily long time until it measures the target temperature. When the sensor hits the target temperature, the radiator is heavily heated, therefore it will exchange the heat with the air and thus heat the room beyond the target temperature.

Predictive heating not only turns on in advance but also turns off before reaching the target temperature. That’s quite an important feature

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I see :slight_smile: , I can’t say I notice much over heating. Radiators may release more energy then required but setting a slightly lower target temperature may compensate.

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I’m also looking to control my heating in my home. First a was looking for some Shelly or Aqara TRV’s, but those do not control my boiler. My gas boiler is a Bulex and is a modulating boiler, not a “dumb” on/off boiler. Anyway, to make a long story short: Would it be possible to use the Netatmo modulating thermostat locally with HomeKit controller and integration in Home Assistant? I dont need some fancy scedules. I only need head in my room when i want it. Even in my living room I don’t need smart heating. I have floor heating and also heats up during the night to keep a constant 21C. Floor heating works the best like that.

What i would like to have:

  • A thermostat that can modulate and that i can control in HA
  • If for example a room needs heat and my living room with floor heating is warm, i would like to shut off my floor heating pump with a smart plug
  • i would like to control individual rooms with radioator valves and seperate temp sensors in each room. I know the TRV’s have temp sensors, but not sure if that works great.

So in short: would it be possible to use the Netatmo thermostat locally with homekit in HA and use it in automations so it can tell a shelly TRV or Aqara TRV to open/close? Or am i doomed to use a TADO or NETATMO system “stand alone” with their cloud services? Maybe the predictions are nice and can save money … but my main goal is just to be able to controll individueal rooms and tell my boiler to go on/off with modulation offcourse. That seems very hard :smiley:

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Yesterday I’ve integrated my Netatmo products with Homekit Controller (that’s great suggestion, thank you!). Working almost fine, but there’s differences between what I see with official cloud integration (and using API calls) and the entities exposed by HomeKit integration. In particular:

  • Weather Station - Outdoor module: the battery level is bit different (57-58% with official app, 50% with homekit, I suppose they use different method when converting mV to %), no radio level/power data
  • Weather Station - Indoor module: no PRESSURE sensor with HomeKit, no radio level/wifi data
  • Thermostat: NO BATTERY level, NO PRESET (schedule, frost guard, etc.)

Is that normal? I’ve to enable something to view these additional data?

Thank you

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Thanks Andrea for the feedback.

I haven’t migrated yet locally. I did think the preset thing would be a problem as it’s Netatmo cloud thing.
you could try making your own presets within HA using Boolean helpers to trigger a set of temperature changes for Frost_guard, and Away. Schedule changes doing the same way I gather.

Battery status isn’t a thing anymore with the cloud integration anyways. That was removed strangley.

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I’ve been trying for days, but HomeKit at my house only finds the Vimar bridge, only once has found the Hue hub, but I never know anything. Do you have any advice on how can I force the search? Thanks

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Hi,
I’m in the process of transferring to Homekit with my Netatmo products (Netatmo servers are causing a lot of grief at the moment). :frowning:
FYI: I had to upgrade my relay to enable the Homekit link to HA.
It’s a slow process to move across if you have many devices, I’m sure it’ll be worth it in the end :slight_smile:

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Both the relay and the thermostat are already up to date, I don’t understand xké homekit on Home Assistant you don’t detect anything anymore.

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You need the newer hardware that is Homekit approved. I had the same issue as you.