Basically that, I’ve seen NUCs on Amazon for in the $120s, but I’m sure that don’t include the ssd
I have another NUC I have been meaning to set up as another Docker host, connecting to my NAS, to run some other containers for my home, but I’m lazy. I already have those other applications running in jails on my NAS, so meh.
Hi,
very interesting discussion but what about the license for professional use of Hass : Hassio ?
Is it allowed ?
Hass is totally open source so no license is required to use it in anyway. I think you only really run into moral issues if you are someone trying to rebrand Hass as your own and trying to take credit for the community’s work. That’s not the case here. Our discussion is about the installation and support of Hass for other people professionally.
I don’t really understand the difference … if you use Hass to provide services you also use the community ? … and I think that ubiquiti didn’t engaged ballob without thinking about a return on investment 
But anyway it was just for my understanding I don’t want to use Hass for professionnal activities
There have been some people in the past that have reskined Home assistant and claimed they created a proprietary system or didn’t give credit to the community, which is obviously not ok.
This thread is about the viability of installing the Home assistant platform and other smart home components in other people’s homes or spaces professionally, you don’t need a license to install a Home assistant server inside someone’s house.
So I don’t understand the title of the post
You can install all systems that you want, the customer will only pay the configurations services and the hardware that you could provide.
I will check in the future if ubiquiti will mentionne the Hass community when they’ll use the software in their products 
This post is quite old and has varied in it’s discussion.
Basically, I understood it as being a discussion about the viability of using Home Assistant in a commercial environment. Given it is open source, and not yet made version 1, the question would be "Is Home Assistant reliable and stable enough to use in a commercial environment? ".
The answer to that would be yes and no.
As far as moral/legal issues of using it, as far as I understand the licence anyone can install Home Assistant, as long as Home Assistant software is not charged for and the correct acknowledgements are made. You can charge for your time to install it, the backup service to maintain the install and the hardware used, but you can not charge for Home Assistant itself. It can be a bit of a grey area at times.
Personal opinion. Once setup, Home Assistant, whether as Hassbian, HassIO or whatever other way you install it, is perfectly reliable for non-critical use. Controlling lights, notifications for site entries, cameras. It works great for them.
I would not use it on a mission critical site or where anything less than 100% reliability is not an option. If you’re okay with 99%, then it is great and easy to use.
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@pipt2
Given Ubiquiti has employed the creator of Home Assistant to work full time on Home Assistant I should think they will be referencing the community as they are part of the HASS community as such.
That said, any company, including Ubiquiti, still has to work within the legal bindings of the licence
Hi!
I already have some home automation project running (my house, my parents, house, friends)
I’ts all based on a Raspberry pi (domoticz)
I also started on my own installing smart home devices / TV /Auido / camera set-up’s…
Some people know how well my home is automated and want the same thing. I am also planning on building a house soon.
And for all this I don’t want to use a RPI based home automation system but something robust/reliable…
The benefit of HASS is that it’s ‘future proof’ for new devices like controlling a vacuum cleaner and other stuff thanks to the great community.
For now i am just not sure HASS is the way to go…
I found ‘IP-Symcon’ something commercial with also the possibility to add any device you want thanks to coding in php.
but it UI is just sow awfull :o
Node-red is also something that seems so strong for automating events but again there is not really a user interface (except the dashboard)
the benefit of node-red is the company IBM behind it… I’ve used it and it’s so reliable.
And if it fails… it needs to be able to back and running really fast… so back-up and restore is very important.
i saw you guys talk about a NUC, i think this is some overkill? is an ONDROID with EMMC not reliable to run 20 -30 - 40 years? becaust this is what you want in a home automation set-up…
@ oobie11 , i am wondering how its all working for you now and your clients… still using RPI? having problems with HASS crashing with your clients? (i sure do know Domoticz crashes sometimes)
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I find Domoticz sooo boring and old school. I’m running multiple instances on RPi (2B and 3B+ I think). They are very stable. You must buy your rpi from reliable source, you need a proper power supply and an industrial grade sd card and that’s all. A NUC is probably an overkill, as you said. A 3B+ is pretty fast, the only slow functions are logbook and history. Every other functions are as fast as you wish. So just try HA, you won’t be disappointed, I promise.
Hi,
I have been going through this thread, and I am trying to figure out how come nobody’s using HA for a commercial service? if HA is better than the existing proprietary commercial hubs, wouldn’t it make sense to have a commercial release based on service payed for installation and support? kind of Red Hat of HA?
I’m using hassio to run automation. for hotel rooms, I’ve made an Android app (basically a web browser without search bar pointing to hassio’s address). Each room has two tablets with google’s mobile device management which only allows my app, chrome, Netflix and Spotify.
Each room has flux leds, Insteon lights, Insteon covers, projector, chromecast video and chromecast audio with amp and in ceiling speakers controlled via IR with itach. Everything runs flawless and hassio is running on rpi 3b+. For avoiding users to change the config y deleted the default_config and create users without admin permission. I’ve altered the color of the hamburger menu icon to be the same as the background color so, apparently, there’s nothing for the user to touch. This is my approach to a “commercial use”.
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I forgot to say that I’ve experimented with NUC’s, fanless pc’s like ECS’s LIVA, and Endless Mission One PC’s, and I have to say that until today I do not regret using raspberries, they are light and reliable, and if something is wrong I just replace the rip and pull the config from git so it doesn’t take more than 3 minutes and one reboot
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Rephrasing my question.
HA is the most advanced and comprehensive home automation system, but it is currently used only by enthusiastic and to some extent by people and businesses who get it from a local integrator.
Wouldn’t it make sense to have a commercialised distribution that will be offered with installation and full support to the huge public who can’t do it them selves?
Currently the only system offered as a full service is Vivint and it is very successful doing so, but it is a closed system and we want the future to be open source.
Anyone has a view on that? or someone is already working in this direction?
I think this is going to involve changes in license terms and perhaps certified installers and a kind of “premium support”. I would leave that to the installers
I am not sure there is a license issue here as it is Apache, so there are no limitations to distribute as long as license terms are kept. Also, such a commercial version should not be selling the software, only the service, i.e. installation and support. The same as some are doing for their own customers but on a larger scale.Thanks again for your answer.
Hi all,
I’m very new to HA and at this moment still using Domoticz in a commercial use as I run a campsite in the Netherlands. I use it to monitor my pool temp, switch on exterior lights and restaurant lights and monitor the temperatures at cooling and freezing units.
I have this issue with dead z-wave nodes inside Domoticz and so I was looking for something else. Since yesterday I installed HA at home and it found all my z-wave nodes immediately. I just have to figure out how to change the home screen and do some adjustments. I have to say it looks a bit complicated but I will continue reading
If this works well at home I will also switch to HA on my campsite.
Koen
Three dot menu in upper right corner.
Configure UI