Recommend a good WiFi Router

They are both very similar technologies and work about the same. Mesh has the advantage of auto re-routing in case a node goes down. I have two separate WDS stations, one connected to garage Linksys R7800<>EA8500 and the other connected to house EA8500<>EA8500. so there are no nodes to go down in my case. However WDS can be configured as a repeater too if needed so they are very closely related technologies.

Also, and I may be wrong about this, but I don’t think mesh networks can support more than one VLAN whereas WDS can.

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In my case, I have telephone lines in every bedroom and living room and this is all done with lan cat5 cables. But all cables are wired on the attic to use telephone lines. I will have to change those cables for at least cat6 probably cat7, buy a switch and connect that switch to a router in bedroom.
But I need one router that is connected to poe switch for poe intercom. And this router can’t be connected to the lan cables around the house because there is no physical connection to it.
I have only one vlan in mesh wifi but I don’t have a lot of wifi devices connected to it, maybe around 25 - 30.

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Three out of your five “cities” are actually countries…

Identity theft mostly happens on platforms. So if you registered one day (before a beech) and shared your real identy (data) with yahoo, twitter, eBay or LinkedIn then you are lost.

Making use of a VPN while still using your real identy on such platforms which are later breached helps excactly nothing.

What? Every random $15 router/WiFi-AP for home I used the last two decades were capable of much more clients. My now almost 10 year old tp-link router (bough used around 4 years) is running the latest openwrt and has around 80 WiFi clients connected without any problems.

Channel 13 can sometimes be a good spot , while sadly still having some crosstalk with channel 11 devices.

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Not too clear on your situation, but a WDS station might fix at least your intercom issue. If configured on the 5ghz radio, I am getting 1750Mb/s connectivity on mine which is amazing! You would have to chose your WDS router based on what chipset your main router you want to connect too has. While Atheros and Broadcom both offer WDS functionality, they are incompatible with each other. So if you main router has Atheros, then get an EA8500 or R7800 from ebay cheap and try it. If it has Broadcom, well I am not too familar with Broadcom chipsets as I shunned them years ago for not allowing open source drivers, but a quick Google search would probably find your answer for those.

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Keep in mind that Ch 13 is not available in the USA.

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I’m no lawyer but according Wikipedia only channel 14 and upwards is not allowed without permit in the USA.

A Federal Communications Commission (FCC) document clarifies that only channel 14 is forbidden

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VLAN handling is done by the SSID the device connects to and how its assigned on the configuration node that handles it all for access via firewall rules.

You can either set AP’s as strict VLAN’s they use via the ports they connect through on the switch or leave them untagged and assign them in the configuration if the host allows it.

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I don’t want to bother you and really thank you for some new insights.

My house have lan wires but they all are ending on attic because those cables are for telephone line. Everything is put inside plastic tubes for cabels and than put in concrete wall. Theoretically this can all be replaces with new cables but all will end up on the attic. One of the problem is that those cables are very long and probably can snap when trying to pull out.

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If the home has be built in the last 20 years it should be using ethernet as phone line if they are doing runs like that so you would just need to recrimp or repunch the ends on the socket side to be RJ45 and not RJ11, I had to do this in the last place I was living when I was living with my parents to bring the internet from the closet to my room, living room and main bedroom as well as the side office.

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That may be correct, I dunno. If I set the country code on any of my USA routers to USA, I have 11 channels on 2.4ghz to choose from. If I change to a different country code, I can have up to 13 or 14 depending on the country code used. I just leave mine set for USA and I use Ch11 on all my routers because I have zigbee down near ch1. This gets them very far away from each other.

I was thinking about this, but as those are cat5 cables why then not change them to cat7 and solve the problem. Because if I go to this and I know, knowing my self that I will, than do it properly.

Since they are already in conduit, chances are they would be very easy to tape a new cat6/7 and pull it up to the attic. I have never broken a cat5 cable from pulling it, no matter how old. You will need to install the switch in the attic as well so you will need power and a dedicated cable to your main router/switch, as you know I am sure.

Yes I was getting lazy! Some cities I had’nt memorized

Agreed, I added the VPNs afterward, and everyone should use a variety of tactics, VPN’s are not the answer for everything by any means! (All of my passwords are 30 digits when allowed and different for every single place)

I never knew what the situation was with that but I understand that If you split apart the wifi to one or more separate wireless access points with a wired router, your limits essentially completely disappear. If you split them apart, then you need to not only measure what the WAP can handle for wifi (and multiply that if you have mnore than one WAP) as well as the number of IP addresses that the router can handle. That is why people say it is SOOOOO much better to separate them. For instance for the wired TL-ER7206 router (which is way cheaper than many wireless routers out there at about $150 (link aboce), it can handle literally thousands of IP clients -

I copied and pasted the below snippet:

The TP-Link TL-ER7206 is a business-class VPN router, and its ability to handle client IP addresses primarily depends on the specific network configuration and the class of IP addresses used. The TL-ER7206 itself typically supports a substantial number of client IP addresses, but it is limited by the IP address range and subnet mask you configure.

In a typical business network, you would use IP addresses from a private IP address range such as the IPv4 Class C range, which provides 254 usable IP addresses when using a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0. However, the TL-ER7206 supports more flexible subnetting, allowing you to create custom subnets based on your requirements.

The number of client IP addresses that the TL-ER7206 can handle largely depends on how you configure the router. By changing the subnet mask and addressing scheme, you can create smaller or larger subnets, which will determine the number of available IP addresses. For example, if you use a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0, you can have up to 254 client IP addresses in a single subnet.

If you need to handle a larger number of client IP addresses, you can subnet your network further by using a larger address space or more flexible subnet masks. However, keep in mind that more extensive subnets may require more complex network management.

Ultimately, the TL-ER7206 can handle a significant number of client IP addresses, but the exact number will depend on your specific network design and how you configure it. Be sure to follow best practices in network design and IP address management to ensure your network operates efficiently and effectively.

And, for the EAP225 access point (I copied and pasted as well):

The TP-Link EAP225 is a wireless access point designed for small to medium-sized business networks. The number of Wi-Fi clients it can handle depends on various factors, including the specific network configuration, the usage patterns of the clients, and the performance of the access point itself.

The EAP225 is designed to support a significant number of concurrent clients, and it is suitable for high-density environments. However, the actual number of clients it can handle will vary based on factors like the network load, the bandwidth requirements of the clients, and the features and settings used.

In general, the EAP225 is capable of handling anywhere from 50 to 100 or more concurrent Wi-Fi clients, depending on the network conditions and the specific configuration. To get a more accurate estimate for your network, it’s a good practice to consult the product documentation, including the user manual or data sheet, provided by TP-Link. These documents typically include information on the access point’s specifications and capabilities, including its recommended maximum client capacity under various conditions.

Keep in mind that while the EAP225 can support a substantial number of clients, the real-world performance may vary based on factors like the Wi-Fi interference, client device capabilities, and the overall network design. It’s important to configure your network and access point properly to ensure optimal performance and client handling.

I don’t mean to sound like a salesperson for TP-Link, but the ~$150 for the router and ~$50 for one access point (and then also use your old router as a freebee access point too!) will for less $ than the price of the consumer all-in one router that does not work as well, is a no-brainer…

Also if you have a unified setup for less $ than some individual routers, (so you can update all the settings from one place easily etc.), they do work together in handling the wifi for the end user for a better experience. For example, there is no longer any need to determine which channels to use for which access point etc - you can set it to be automatically handled so the WAP’s automatically change to the least congested channels for each signal around each wap, and the WAps know when a wifi client like a mobile phone or notebook computer moves about awy from one wap and closer to the other, and till automatically disconnect the client device from one wap and sonnected it to the closer wap. That is how it works in large offices for people that walk around so that they have a consistently strong wifi signal with the same SSID no matter where they go.

The above alone makes it much easier to configure with fewer settings to worry about actually - and for less money!

The proof is in the pudding. This is my gateway router/AP which is an EA8500. Note the amount of clients and on the second photo, also note the memory usage and CPU usage. Very minimal. It is running 4 dhcp servers and also has 4 VLANS. One for Local, Guest, IoT and Media. I paid $35 for this router used. This router and the Netgear R7800 use essentially the same hardware. The R7800 has been replaced with the XR500 (which is still available new), but again, it’s the same hardware.


That’s great! To each his own!

You actually do kinda sound like a salesperson for TP-Link. lol

Doing a bit of research on your two items here, the $150 router is not yet available at any price. It says “Coming Soon”. I would be surprised if it’s only $150, but I could not find a price for it. Also, ddwrt and openwrt can do the same thing this one does depending on the router it’s installed on. Don’t expect this functionality out of an old WRT54G by any means, even if it is running ddwrt. I can set up to any subnet mask I need, from /1 to /32, but a subnet of /22 (1024 addresses) or /23 (512 addresses) would be more than enough for any home automation system. There’s nothing special or unique about that. With 4 VLANs I think I have plenty with 4 groups of 254 addresses.

The $59 dollar AP is quite nice especially since it supports PoE. Priced right too. I may look at one of these in the future for outdoor use (ceiling mounted under a porch).

TPLink makes great stuff. I won’t argue that. I have five TPLink managed switches and they work extremely well supporting port bonding and tagged vlans easily. Also very easy to configure. I would imagine once this router is available, it will not be long before it’s supported by both ddwrt and openwrt.

@lexridge you cannot find any TL-ER7206 anywhere? I don’t understand! Here’s a link to it on Amazon. Don’t get the ER605 the ER7206 is MUUUCH better

Interesting. I only went to the product page on TP-Link’s web site. That was as far as I looked.

I looked fairly close at it then after your post I checked if it is supported by openwrt and ddwrt. It is apparently under some development for OpenWRT, but not DD-WRT. I would only be concerned about this because TPLink is very slow with FW updates and once the product is end of life, we don’t get any FW updates. However this is a fairly new product apparently so should have around 3 years of updates. ie I have not had a single FW update for my managed switches since I got them nearly 24 months ago, but routers are different.

Why would you try to replace the firmware - you would lose a huge number of capabilities such as the Omada class equippment workng in concert with the other networking devices and being able to update all the setting for everything in one semaless UI - firmware and configuration - as well as bookoo dashboards for monitoring tc. etc… If that is not important to you then to each his own!

In 99% of the cases you actually gain more functions installing openwrt on your router/ap compared to the stock FW.

With 100% centralized cloud management like advertised on Omada Cloud Software Defined Networking (SDN) | Cloud Centralized Management | TP-Link - no way! I want 100% control over my local network instead!