Ring automation

Is there a definitive answer as to ring automation? I have seen a few threads, some saying the ring motion sensors do work, and others do not. I do not see any motion sensors on my doorbell. I was hoping to setup something simple, detecting motion and switching on front porch light at night. Is this possible? Thanks.

@sgavette i just replaced my Ring doorbell due to the great deal i got on a Reolink wired, Wi-Fi doorbell during Amazon prime days. Let me tell you it is night and day. Where i had to write very convoluted automations with the Ring doorbell, the Reolink is so MUCH EASIER to use than Ring. Add on the fact that the connection is local, no privacy issues, and you have access to over 47 entities, Reolink is an awesome investment.

I know i did not answer your question, but i know you will be so much happier just dumping all your Ring products.

@holydoc I do appreciate the info and suggestion. If there is no other resolution, I might go this way. Unfortunately, i just bought a lot of Ring equipment over the last year, understanding it was supported in Home Assistant, and prior to beginning HA setup. I have a year of service left and 4 new cameras...
I suppose I could drop some $ and stick a motion detector on my door, with yet another battery. I find this a bit more irritating than it not working.

Well i will bump this one last time so that it may draw some attention to it to give you help with Ring devices.

Just on a side note, when i started smart home hobby, i originally went with the Alexa ecosystem. I invested in swtches, plugs, bulbs , etc that i ensured worked with Alexa. Once i dove deeper into this hobby, i discovered that i was highly limiting my capabilities by trying to stay within that ecosystem. I don't necessarily say that i made a mistake because i learned alot during that time. However now i have a box full of cloud based smart home trash, and have developed a much more reliable, private, and configurable system. All that to say that at some point if you continue with this hobby, your Ring items will also end up in a bin. :grinning_face:

Thanks much. You use Frigate for recording?

I'm not quite sure what kind of definitive answer you are looking for, but both the Ring integration and the Ring-MQTT app work well in providing integration and automation for Ring devices. If you are looking for something simple for the basic Ring devices like detecting motion via a doorbell, try the Ring integration (check the associated docs for device support). If you want to integrate additional Ring devices like their alarm sensors (motion sensors, contact sensors, glass breakage sensors, smoke alarm sound detection, etc) or even their smart lights, try Ring-MQTT.

The definitive answer as to can I or can I not accomplish what I asked in the first post. I wanted to setup a motion detection on the doorbell for an automation to turn on a porch light. Seemed pretty simple at the outset. I do not want to waste time trying to do something that can't be done. I have seen posts where the motion detection does not work, and I have not been able to make that work, and do not see a motion sensor. I have also not been able to find or install Ring-MQTT. I am new to this, and do not want to head down an endless rabbit hole unnecessarily.

The definitive answer is : yes you can, but not straightforward. It can become possible with enough will power and research and planning and time.

So yes you can, but whether you would like it or not, or whether you would enjoy the journey / outcome or not, is a different story.

For the mqtt app (aka add-on), search google for "ring mqtt home assistant".

We all learn some things the hard way when it comes to HA. :wink: A suggestion for your next endeavour: Rather buy one device from a particular manufacturer and experiment with that before investing more (time and money). This mostly works well where it's within a range (lights only, or motion detectors only, etc.), as not all manufacturers produce the same quality across ranges.

Sounds like Ring just does not work well in HA. I guess they will be left out of the mix. The doorbell was purchased a long time ago, and the other cameras have been added since. I bought 4 more as I understood they would work, and it is too late to return them. I was hoping to get the cameras in HA…oh well. I just hope some others starting out read this first before getting too far down this path. Thanks.

Are your video stream(s) available at all in HA?

If they are, you might want to have a look at MotionEye; that add-on will add motion support to any video stream by means of webhooks.

Steve,
I personally do not use Frigate for recording even though I have only heard good things about it. All of my automations using cameras revolve around whether the object being viewed is a vehicle, animal, or person. Reolink does an excellent job of making this determination within their own software and shares that entity with HA. I use that information to perform some action accordingly.

For instance if a car comes down my driveway, all the exterior lights come on. If someone approaches my house, all exterior lights come on, TV is paused, inside foyer lights come on, and an announcement is made that a person has been detected. If the doorbell is pressed, the live video of the doorbell camera is viewed on the TV as well as all internal screens. You don’t even want me to go into what happens when a camera sees those pesky racoons! LOL

I have probably a dozen Ring floodlights/cameras, plus a ton of Ring sensors and lights, and they’ve been working just fine for me in Home Assistant for quite some time. The Ring integration exposes a binary sensor for motion detection (I have a Ring Doorbell Pro), and as you can see in the screen capture below, it detects and logs motion just fine (as least for me). I have an automation setup so when the doorbell detects motion at night it turns on several lights.

Assuming you have Home Assistant already installed, and you’ve already invested in “a lot of Ring equipment over the last year”, it’s pretty fast, easy, and inexpensive to just try it out to see if and how this would work in your environment.

BTW, everyone has their own reasons for either using or avoiding cloud-based services or suppliers with proprietary systems. For me, I played around with various cameras that I had to manage and integrate on my own (pre-Ring). Over time, I decided it was more of a hassle managing the software/firmware upgrades and on-site storage than I wanted to deal with. Also, I needed something that was drop-dead simple and just worked so that others in my house could see and control what was going on even if I wasn’t around.

Will Ring be around forever? Who knows, but I had more confidence in their financial stability and ownership than I did with a lot of small camera producers. Whichever way you go … good luck and have fun. Sometimes the journey in getting there is even more rewarding than the destination.

In my experience, the core Ring integration does great with everything BUT the motion sensor. It is event-based and never seems to trigger when you expect it. Probably a polling or rate limiting issue that could be improved by the devs.

However, if you setup the Ring-MQTT App, the motion sensors provided are setup as binary_sensors and tend to be on the up-and-up when they trigger. You’ll need an MQTT Broker to set it up, most people use Mosquitto Broker App, myself included, which is an App in the HA Official Repository.

Ring door bell works for me. MQTT integration gives me binary sensor motion for automation trigger.

However, if starting again I would look at reolink. Would avoid cloud.

Thanks to all who responded. I finally got Ring-MQTT up and running, and it is night and day. Just on the doorbell, there are 15 entities vs 4 in Ring. This’ll work. Thanks again!