Seeking Advice on Smart Switch and Smart Bulb Compatibility in the UK

Hello everyone,

I’m new to home automation and based in the UK. I’m planning to purchase smart switches and smart bulbs, and I have a few questions that I hope you can help me with.

  1. Do smart switches typically have the functionality to dim smart bulbs? I want to make sure that if I invest in smart bulbs, I can control their brightness effectively with a smart switch.
  2. If I only install a smart bulb in my living room, can a smart switch control both the living room (with the smart bulb) and my bedroom (with a normal bulb)? I’m trying to understand the extent of control a smart switch can offer in such a setup.

I’ve read through some discussions here, but I’m still a bit confused. I’m hoping to benefit from your experiences and insights, especially those relevant to the UK market.

Additionally, if you know of any beginner - friendly websites or brand blogs that can help me learn more about home automation, please feel free to share. I’m eager to educate myself further on this topic.

Thank you!

A rabbit hole in any country,
Currently I just have some lights that I try to always leave on and control with voice or my phone because they’re Wi-Fi lights on regular switches.

Personally id like to try a combo setup like this

  1. Smart Switch:
  • Use a non-dimming smart switch that supports always-on mode or bypasses the bulb’s power control.
  • Recommended Smart Switches:
    • Lutron Aurora: Specifically designed to work with smart bulbs like Philips Hue.
    • Sonoff T1 Smart Switch: Works with smart bulbs when configured correctly for non-dimming use.
  1. Smart Bulbs:
  • Use Zigbee or Wi-Fi smart bulbs for better integration.
  • Recommended Smart Bulbs:
    • Philips Hue: Works with Zigbee switches like Lightwave or Aurora.
    • IKEA Tradfri: Affordable and integrates well with Home Assistant.
    • LIFX: Wi-Fi-enabled, no hub required.

Also wall panels like Shelly Wall Display, Sonoff NS Panel Pro would be a cool way to control lights and other things.

I believe these are eu 230v compatible

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Thank you so much for your detailed and helpful response! It’s really cleared up a lot of my confusion.
I appreciate the specific product recommendations. The Lutron Aurora sounds great for working with Philips Hue bulbs, and I’ll definitely look into the SONOFF T1 Smart Switch as well. The information on the smart bulbs is also very useful. I like the idea of using Zigbee smart bulbs for better integration, and the recommended brands give me a good starting point for my research.
I’m also interested in the wall panels you mentioned for controlling lights. Do you have any particular models or brands that you would recommend for those?

I believe he is the goto 230v home assistant guy

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Hi Balinda,

We have quite a few options for Smart Home gear being based in the UK (north of Manchester if you want more detail), and the limitation to your Smart Home is your budget and imagination. Just by way of information, I’ll outline my own convoluted Smart Home path, it may provide some clarity on how not to do it :man_facepalming:t2:… My Home Automation journey started with the use of Philips Hue lights quite a few years ago (the v2 Bridge had just come out and I got that one, so maybe back in 2015), and these bulbs were just operated initially via the Hue Bridge and the phone app, or via the Amazon Alexa skill once I had got used to Philips Hue - they worked great, and still do, but are a bloody expensive way of getting Home Automation! I also bought a Philips Hue Dimmer Switch for the bathroom, which is still in use.

Shortly after the purchase and household growth of Philips Hue bulbs I bought a few WiFi (Tuya) enabled electrical sockets, as Philips didn’t make anything but lighting at the time. I then used the Smart Life / Tuya app and started controlling these devices from my phone - I subsequently added Tuya WiFi door sensors and movement sensors. I also added a Nest Thermostat for controlling the heating and hot water - this was prior to Google taking ownership of it - another app for that one!

This ad-hoc growth in my house automation was a bit chaotic to be honest, as I was using different phone apps for doing different things - some devices didn’t speak to others, and most of the really convenient automation i.e. lights coming on and off when doors opened or closed, or on entry into a room was a bit convoluted and had to be done via the Amazon Alexa app. The Alexa app is good, but limited.

A neighbour then told me about Home Assistant, and I looked at it, but dip my toe in as I didn’t really understand it (I think I may have downloaded it and installed it on a Windows machine :thinking:) and I never got to grips with it. I struggled on, trying to get different manufacturer’s stuff working with others, and found stuff to lack interoperability and making compromises… after a short time, I came back to looking at Home Assistant as a solution to my Automation woes.
I started to use Home Assistant (HA) about three (maybe four) years ago on a Raspberry Pi 4, and whilst confusing at first, I realised it should have been the starting point for my whole Smart Home setup, but lack of knowledge about it at the beginning of this journey was my problem. The ad-hoc growth of Smart Home kit I was using could now be rationalised! The great thing about using HA is the flexibility it allows you with differing Smart Home protocols, and the huge range of Automation it also allows you to set up (using a plugin like Node Red allows for even more complex automation). I also use the Nabu Casa cloud service, as this allows you to control Home Assistant via your phone when not at home and provides seamless voice integration with Alexa - in addition it also supports Home Assistant development.

Over the last year, I have moved all the kit over to the ZigBee protocol (which Philips Hue uses, although theirs is a bespoke tweak to the regular ZigBee protocol I believe) and found Zigbee to be a very solid protocol to use. My WiFi-based stuff was always losing connection, and didn’t seem to be reliable, so I removed it from my setup and I’m selling it off - however, my homemade sensors using ESP32’s have been rock solid. Most of the off-the-shelf Zigbee based sensors I have bought have been Aqara ZigBee type of kit. They just work, and have a good battery life too (I have PIR sensors, push buttons, door sensors, Temp & Humidity sensors, vibration sensors, water leak sensors - vibration sensors attached to taps, water leak sensors attached to cheapo pressure mats for sensing when sofa or bed is occupied)

I have a large number of push-button controls from single-button Aqara ones in every room to 4 and 6 button Loratap ones in Kitchen and Living Room. These single buttons, now offer manual control of the lighting as the buttons are multi-function and enable single press, double press and long press options, which are then programmed to toggle lights on or off using pre-programmed scenes, (which are groups of lights programmed to be a set brightness and colour) - this is in addition to any automated light settings I have i.e. porch lights automatically coming on when it is dark and front door opening… and then turning off automatically when I have left the room…

I also use cheap Google Nexus 7 (2nd Gen) tablets as portable dashboards in most rooms for the control and reading of data - good WAF on these as the custom dashboards are easy for She Who Must Be Obeyed to control lights and sockets, and also to see if the domestic hot water is hot enough to go for a shower or a bath.

As a closing remark, I would say get an account on AliExpress as most of the kit for SmartHome setup is available there for about half to a third of the price of UK-based suppliers - and, in my experience of using it, I have never had an issue and stuff gets delivered in about 6 to 9 days. It’s invaluable for electronic sensor components if you progress to building your own sensors as I now do. If I can do it, anybody can!

If you need any further clarification on the above, or any further help please do feel free to shout up - I’d be happy to pitch in. This community group has been invaluable to me, and I’m happy to pay back and help others who need it.

Cheers,

Mike.

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Morning,

Just realised I didn’t specifically answer your two questions…

On the first question, it depends on which switch and manufacturer. I think the IKEA ‘Tradfri/Styrbar’ range of kit can dim their lights (or any lights via Home Assistant), in addition to toggling on or off. I do know that somebody on the Home Assistant community has developed some programming (known as a Blueprint) for the IKEA ‘Styrbar’ 4 button switch, so it can switch on and off the lights and a long press dims, or brightens the lights (I have a couple of these and set the left and right buttons to warm white scene or cold white scene - they work well). I don’t have the long press on my Aqara buttons dimming anything else - I’m unsure if you can… it is probably possible but I don’t use them that way. If you deffo want dimming, then IKEA Styrbar is probably the way, and they work well with HA too, and are a reasonable price. If using Home Assistant, or any IKEA kit you would have to get a ZigBee Hub for them to operate - not sure if IKEA Hub (“Dirigera”?? :thinking:) is compatible with HA.

With your second question, you would have to make sure the ‘normal’ bulb in your bedroom is connected to a smart socket for that to be switched i.e. used in a table lamp (there are other ways involving Shelly products, but that involves wiring them into your lighting circuit. Shelly make some good gear - highly regarded, but you pay for the quality.

As for switching the above set up you could use a single button so one press toggles the living room on or off, and a double press toggles the bedroom on or off - if you have Amazon Alexa, you can shout the brightness level at it and it can respond too i.e. “Alexa - living room lights at 10 percent”, “living room lights to red”, “living room lights to warm white at 70 percent”

I hope that helps a bit.

Cheers,

Mike.

Hi Mike, I cannot thank you enough for taking the time to provide such a comprehensive and informative response to my questions. Your personal journey and experiences with home automation have given me valuable insights and a clearer understanding of the possibilities and potential pitfalls.

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Hi Lee,

No worries. I just wanted to try to provide as much info as I could. It’s a bit overwhelming when you first start down the Smart Home route, and can be costly - me being a tight-arse northerner I didn’t want you to spend money unnecessarily.

Smart Home stuff has come on a huge amount since I first got my Philips Hue bulbs, and it is getting better all the time. I have found it quite addictive, but I’m a tinkerer at heart so enjoy the process of building stuff and getting it working - it keeps the grey matter ticking over! I now wouldn’t be without Home Assistant.

Here are a few YT channels I find worth watching (should keep you out of trouble over the Xmas hols!) :-

Paul Hibbert
Everything Smart Home
Kiril Peyanski
Smart Home Junkie

Cheers,

Mike.

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Thank you so much for the additional insights and recommendations!

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Hi Mike,

Handshake! Those channels are exactly where I spend most of my time as well. I’ve learned a lot about Home Assistant from these guys, and I can honestly say I’ve fallen in love with HA. I’ve now handed over control of all my home devices to HA, and I’ve installed an Android tablet on the wall to control everything. It’s a bit of a hassle, but it’s lots of fun! And more importantly, my wife approved it :slight_smile: Especially with the smart switches controlling smart lights, implementing dual control and one-touch scenes — that’s the feature my wife uses the most.

As for Lee’s question, personally, I prefer using zigbee2mqtt for Zigbee group control or binding. Not only does it offer more stable control, but the key benefit is that I don’t have to worry about breaking the HA host while tinkering, which could impact basic light control for the family. This way, there are fewer complaints from my wife, and I can relax :slight_smile:

When it comes to UK products, aside from Philips Hue and IKEA, I’m not too familiar with the market. However, in the US, there are many similar products available on Amazon, and they’re really affordable, especially those from Chinese manufacturers using Tuya modules. I’ve bought quite a few myself — very cheap — but the downside is that the customer support from most of these manufacturers is terrible, and they don’t really understand the technical side of things, let alone support zigbee2mqtt. However, there’s one brand called Xsky, which is worth recommending. I’m not sure if they use Tuya modules, but their support for HA is excellent, and they offer compatible programmable switches. The only downside is that they’re battery-powered, and I’d much prefer a version with constant power. I’m also not sure if they’re available in the UK.

Hey John!! Welcome to the addiction club!

I just use ZHA for control of stuff… zigbee2mqtt seems (on the surface) a very complex set up and I’ve never looked deeper into it - I know it is the ‘enthusiasts’ protocol of choice from seeing stuff on this community group.

I guess I’ve just never had a need to delve further as I have too much going on, and I’m spinning too many HA plates - currently got multi-sensor (mmWave presence, temp, humidity, lux, CO, CO2 and general air quality) mockup on the bench which I need to complete, design a PCB for and 3D print a box. Need to 3D print some enclosures for my ESP32 energy meter sensors, need to finish off the bespoke polished wood Qi wireless charging stands for the Nexus tablets, and tidy up the timber mounts for the wall mounted Nexus tablets, add more power monitoring outlets, finish off my ESP32 cooker controller & dashboard, finish off my furnace controller & dashboard so I can dispense with Nest, and finally learn more about Automations in Node Red. :astonished: Should keep me busy through 2025!

The UK market is pretty much the same as the US one - it all ultimately comes from China, and you guys on that side of the pond seem to pay less tax on it :roll_eyes: - “built in” electrical stuff is slightly different as you use different drywall boxes etc, and we use 240V for domestic supplies - the internals tend to be from the same suppliers. A lot of stuff on Amazon.co.uk and eBay.co.uk The Xsky stuff looks decent, I’d never come across them but just had a look at their website - their website only allows US$ & Canadian $ so probably just localised to North America deliveries.

I’m sure with the take up of HA by Smart Home users, and the growing professionalism of it, the acceptance of it as a standard platform for Smart Home suppliers will just grow and grow due to the flexibity of the software.

Thanks for the input, John, a very useful contribution.

Cheers,

Mike.