I’m very interested in getting some smart blinds in my home. I understand programming and creating automations very well, but not very informed on connecting devices.
What are the best or recommend blinds to work with Home Assistant? I do have a large 105 inch wide window to cover as well. Not sure if that’ll limit options.
I’d also need it to work with Google Home if possible. I don’t have anything Apple or Amazon. A remote would be ideal too for times the wife wants physical control.
My concern is my lack of knowledge on what is needed to connect everything properly. I know nothing about zwave or ziggby or matter. If another hub is needed? I have zero clue. Watching YouTube videos assumes I already have knowledge about these connections so I just feel dumb lol.
Generally smart shades come in several connectivity options. Many use RF 433Mhz because it’s cheap and low power, adding a separate WiFi bridge for connecting (via the Internet) to Google Home. These often lack precise positioning control as they might only have a receiver (i.e. no transmitter) in the motor. Very few “WiFi” shades are true in-motor WiFi, and those that are usually require hardwiring (no battery) because of WiFi’s higher power. For any WiFi device, cloud connectivity (and associated lock-in, privacy & availability concerns) is usually required so caution is advised unless the new Matter (local) control protocol is supported. If you’re feeling DIY, Zemismart makes hardwired WiFi motors with Matter, that can be installed inside many standard-diameter 3rd-party roller tubes.
Perhaps the most popular option is Zigbee, which covers most mid-range Amazon (i.e. Yoolax) or IKEA (Fyrtur) offerings. For these you just need to add a SkyConnect dongle o your Green box. Once you connect to the shades they will be directly and locally controlled with precise positioning, but note if your server is more than 30-50 feet from the shades, you will need to add repeaters to boost the signal.
Less common but more “high end” are control via Z-wave (e.g. Bali Blinds) or Thread (Eve MotionBlinds) which are going to cost a bit more but have more color and fabric choices. Z-wave can be added to your Green via a USB stick, but Thread uses IP so you might already have a Thread Border Router in your house.
Lutron is a popular option that uses a (seemingly) proprietary communications interface, and can be very pricey, but offers almost unlimited design choices and has very high customer satisfaction.
Most manufacturers choose a protocol for their complete product line. SmartWings is somewhat unique in that their website lets you choose any of five motor options for any shade/blinds configuration, so they might be worth checking out, and they have sales every few months.
Thanks for the info. I was looking at SmartWings but wasn’t sure on which motor type. Is getting the SkyConnect to use Zigbee a better solution to their Matter/Thread version? I like the idea of having precision options instead of generic open/closed.
Is anything required (dongle or hub) to use Matter or is that built into the Green?
Matter support is “built-in” to Home Assistant but it is still in BETA, and since it’s a fledgling technology it only has limited devices and scope right now. Some are betting on it being the next big thing, others more cynical. Note that Matter is an application protocol, like HomeKit or MQTT, that controls devices already connected (“provisioned”) by either WiFi or Thread (in other words: IP). In contrast — Zigbee and Z-wave are proprietary full-stack home automation standards so you need special hardware and specific software to communicate with those (non-IP) devices.
Your choice of Zigbee, Z-wave or Thread might hinge on what else you want to do in your smart home, Certainly Zigbee has the broadest selection of devices at the lowest cost, but maybe has the murkiest future since Thread (with the same exact radio chips) and Matter are trending. Z-wave is popular with “prosumers” and alarm systems (Ring, Alarmdotcom) but has some gaps in product offerings. Personally I use mostly Z-wave, including shades from Bali, with WiFi devices like lightbulbs and touch dimmers (local/cloud-less only!) that have no Z-wave equivalent. But I also have some HomePod minis so I am ready for Thread devices whenever I feel like it.
I have been using smartwings for quite a few months with the radio motor and a smart link pro integrated into home assistant using motionblinds integration.
It was great when it worked, but for some reason every few weeks/months a blind or two would go offline from the integration (and sometimes from the remote as well). And I would end up having to reset them, pair them again, set limits etc, so huge PITA… I will say when they worked, the radio motor still had precise position control, not just open/close.
However I just installed some matter controllers for smartwings this weekend, and so far so good. Will have to see how they work out, but they are pricey… almost $100 a shade to upgrade from radio to matter controllers.
I have Yoolax cellular shades but have only had them installed for about three weeks, so I can’t speak to the longevity. The only issue I’ve had is that one set of shades is reporting it’s at 0% battery, but it’s fully charged. It’s possible this is something with my HA, since I have several Zwave devices that are not reporting the correct battery level. This is the first Zigbee device with this issue I’m aware of though.
Here’s the answer to some of your questions, as well as some information that I would have found helpful ahead of time.
Definitely get the samples, the colors on the screen do not reflect the fabric well.
You will need a Zigbee hub with these. I’m running mine using ZHA with SkyConnect. You could probably find a workaround, but Zigbee will be simplest.
The package that has the remote will have a different manual than the rest of the shades. This is the manual that has important information like how to pair with Zigbee. I cannot speak to if it works with Google Home, because I don’t have anything from them. They advertise Alexa compatibility, but I don’t have any Amazon devices either.
The fit and finish on them is…not great. There are a lot of gaps in the housing. It looks good from a distance, but definitely not ideal up close.
Don’t buy the “magnetic cable.” It’s easy enough to charge these.
If ordering narrow shades, the housing will be about twice as thick as normal. Which makes sense, but I had no idea it would look like that. No idea what size it starts at, but the ones pictured are 23.25". I have crank windows on either side of a larger picture window, and wanted to be able to have the center one down while leaving the sides up in case I had the windows open. It looks a bit silly.
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I bought motor blinds through Decopedia (found on AliExpress). The agent worked with me to get everything right. Everything about them lived up to my expectations, except for integrating them into HA.
Part of the package was a “Wireless Bridge AC801 433Mhz”. Long story short, I ended up designing and building an interface board board betweeen a microcontroller (I chose an Arduino Nano) and a provided remote (AC2001-a5A)
Hey, @derek2
For Home Assistant, the best options are IKEA Fyrtur (Zigbee), Yoolax/Graywind custom shades (Wi-Fi or Zigbee), and Somfy motors for larger windows. As your window is 105", you might need a custom size or divide it into two blinds on one rail so the motor can handle it better.
All of these can connect to Google Home through Home Assistant, and most come with a remote control as well. If you’re new to Zigbee/Z-Wave, the easiest path is to get a Zigbee dongle for HA and use something like IKEA or Graywind.
For custom solutions and professional installation, companies like Colorado Shutters (based in Colorado) can supply motorized shades compatible with Home Assistant and Google Home.
Hey, @derek2
Hey — I’ve done some research on this and here are what I’d look at if I were you:
For a 105-inch wide window, you’ll want to look at 3 things: how the shade is mounted, the type of fabric, and the motor/connection type.
Mounting & Size
Large shades are likely to sag or bow unless they possess a robust material or a strengthened roller bar. If the shade is broad, ensure the headrail is reinforced in the middle or made with rigid materials so that it doesn’t sag.
Motor / Connectivity
Zigbee and Z-Wave are well-liked with smart blinds since they are more likely to provide stable control in Home Assistant and allow for accurate positioning (not only open/close). Matter (Thread or Matter over IP) is newer and is on the rise. If your controller (Home Assistant Green) has support for Zigbee or Z-Wave dongles, that provides you with additional options.
Power Options
Motor or solar assistance is great for large windows so you don’t have to run wires. But test how thick the material is; heavy material + battery = lesser battery life or more charges.
I recently installed big motorized shades in a west-facing room using motor types compatible with Zigbee and received a good deal of assistance determining good-appearing fabric + rugged motors from Home Direct Blinds in Homestead, FL. Service was seamless, and I’d recommend them if you’re looking for something dependable.
I just finished a Smartwings install. I am pretty new to all of this, but already have been standardizing on Matter devices. I got the Smartwings Matter controlled motors on 6 shades for my movie room (blackouts). I have found the Matter controlled motors work better than the RF remote that came with them. The rmote works well too, but sometimes, I have to press the button twice for a shade. With Matter/HA, it seems to work perfect every time. So far, so good. I have gotten pretty good with pairing them, setting limits, etc. I’m very happy with the Smartwings product and integration with HA.
I have been running Ikea FYRTUR blinds for many years connected directly to HA had issues with losing connection. I just had one stop working found the controller was dead. As a result, I found the ZOOZ ZEN53, with two 6mm push buttons enabled me to move it to my Z-wave network and I am really happy with the consistency and how easy it was. Thought I would share as i see this as the path I will do over time on the others if/when they die or get tired of them loosing connection.
