[SOLVED] Enphase Battery: Charge and discharge entities

NCO3 · July 1, 2024, 2:48pm

Hi everyone,

I am running the latest HA version

Core 2024.6.4

Supervisor 2024.06.2

Operating System 12.4

Frontend 20240610.1

and just got my enphase system

Everything seems to be working fine, but I don’t see the battery charge and discharge entities as mentioned in the docs:

For Energy going into the battery, use the the Envoy Lifetime battery energy charged entity.

For Energy coming out off the battery, use the the Envoy Lifetime battery energy discharged entity.4

My HA instance is using German and I also checked the hidden entities.
But charged or dischaged is nowhere to be found.

Anyone with the same issue?
Thanks!

NCO3 · July 3, 2024, 2:02pm

And I don’t see any switch to charge the battery manually:

A switch allowing you to enable or disable charging the Encharge/IQ Batteries from the power grid.

NCO3 · July 13, 2024, 7:59am

I found a solution:

My batteries show the current charge / discharge Wattage:
sensor.encharge_122327105880_leistung (Leistung = German for power)

I created templates converting negative values to positive (charging) and use the positive for discharging.

From these I created a Riemann left integral to get the total for both in kWh.
These are used in the Energy dashboard then.

NCO3 · August 1, 2024, 11:20am

Is anyone out there who has these switches?
I recently upgraded my account to DIY installer and I should be able to see these switches now, I suppose.
Where can I find these? On the envoy or the batteries?
I can’t find them anywhere even after I restart.
Any help would be greatly appreciated

NCO3 · October 16, 2024, 8:01pm

Hi everyone,

Just for the record.
Recently the switch showed up at the envoy gateway.
I did not test it yet, but it’s there.

phillll · November 26, 2024, 12:08am

Hi @NCO3,

I was looking for the same mentioned initially, here by you and managed to solve it before reading your post. However, did you have any issues or did you need to set anything else up, to actually charge/discharge the batteries? As it doesn’t even reflect in the Enlighten app (so showing as charging/discharging)? For me, it seems as though just the HA UI switch ‘Laden vom Netz’ (‘Charge from grid’) is toggled. My batteries also are not charging when my automation runs at a given time. Anything you have that maybe I am missing?

NCO3 · November 26, 2024, 6:49am

Hi @phillll

you are right. I did not try to run this yet (too many other things at the moment
It seems that the switch is in HA even though it’s not supported by enphase yet.

I am monitoring the release notes and a few months ago “charge from grid” was released for NL, BE (see SW 8.2.4225):
Documentation Center | Enphase
Dynamic Tariff (DT) includes charge from grid AFAIK.

I guess we need the switch to show up in the enphase App (which is confusing from my POV).

catsmanac · November 26, 2024, 8:25pm

With firmware > 8.3.42xx, lots of things seems to have changed with regard to controlling battery modes through the local API. HA issue 123216 contains lot’s of findings, although for Ensemble configurations, this impacts EU battery configurations as well. It seems you can only control battery modes from the app and these modes are no longer reflected in the know API locations.

Having said that, I’ve learned the switch ‘charge from grid’ kind of works the reverse way. If not enabled, any tariff configuration will be prohibit from charging from the grid. If set, it is allowed to charge from grid, but the tariff configuration must have a schedule for it. As said, probably only working before fw 8.2.42xx

NCO3 · November 27, 2024, 6:00am

Thank you for the link @catsmanac.

I wonder if the battery would charge if I could set the profile / mode to “Full backup”.
Unfortunately, this mode is not available in Germany.

If the enphase API is limited / not updated with the new FW releases, I wonder if my activities on using evcc with my wallbox / enphase PV system will ever work properly.

NCO3 · November 27, 2024, 1:13pm

Is there this kind of switch in the enphase App as well?
Where do I find this (in case I have this in my FW).
The enphase App is confusing IMHO.

EDIT:
Never mind - found the answer in the enphase forum:

catsmanac · November 28, 2024, 8:03am

If you ever set charging rates and times, it would be interesting to see if these are reflected in the envoy. If it still works as before these settings should show up in /admin/lib/tariff.

To check, open the HA Envoy diagnostics file and look for the lines starting with

      "/admin/lib/tariff": {
        "tariff": {
          "currency": {
            "code": "EUR"
          },

up to

      }
    },
    "envoy_model_data": {

Rates and schedules should be in there. (at least in the older firmware)

NCO3 · November 28, 2024, 8:57am

You mean setting them manually in HA or in the enphase app?

I just activated dynamic tarif (the EPEX Spot does not reflect the correct prices, but the tendency is correct).

This is what I can see in the diagnostics file:

        "schedule": {
          "filename": "",
          "source": "",
          "date": "2024-11-28 08:46:58 UTC",
          "version": "",
          "reserved_soc": 30.0,
          "very_low_soc": 10,
          "charge_from_grid": false,
          "batt_mode": "self-consumption",
          "battery_mode": "self-consumption",
          "operation_mode_sub_type": "",
          "opt_schedules": false,
          "override": false,
          "override_backup_soc": 30.0,
          "override_chg_dischg_rate": 0.0,
          "override_tou_mode": "StorageTouMode_DEFAULT_TOU_MODE",
          "schedule": {
            "Disable": [
              {
                "Sun": [
                  {
                    "start": 0,
                    "duration": 1440,
                    "setting": "ID"
                  }
                ]
              },
              {
                "Mon": [
                  {
                    "start": 0,
                    "duration": 1440,
                    "setting": "ID"
                  }
                ]
              },
              {
                "Tue": [
                  {
                    "start": 0,
                    "duration": 1440,
                    "setting": "ID"
                  }
                ]
              },
              {
                "Wed": [
                  {
                    "start": 0,
                    "duration": 1440,
                    "setting": "ID"
                  }
                ]
              },
              {
                "Thu": [
                  {
                    "start": 0,
                    "duration": 1440,
                    "setting": "ID"
                  }
                ]
              },
              {
                "Fri": [
                  {
                    "start": 0,
                    "duration": 1440,
                    "setting": "ID"
                  }
                ]
              },
              {
                "Sat": [
                  {
                    "start": 0,
                    "duration": 1440,
                    "setting": "ID"
                  }
                ]
              }
            ]
          }
        }
      }
    },
    "envoy_model_data": {

I did not set anything manually though.

phillll · November 28, 2024, 8:20pm

A little different on the ios app (UK) - See left side of image. Then we access if and when the dis/charge, here Under Settings > Battery:

And this is what I was hoping to control with HA.

phillll · November 28, 2024, 8:40pm

Then in HA automation are these actions, which don’t seem to work at a scheduled time. Then discharge isn’t even there (but I guess could be controlled separately from the app):

catsmanac · November 29, 2024, 9:41am

In the App as there’s no way to do this currently in HA

Is that what they call the “AI Optimization” mode?

That is an empty schedule. Same as we found in the above linked issue. The new firmware seems to not use this with the dynamic tariff mode.

When you use these, what does your tariff section in the diagnostic report look like?

That is what we (ha enphase team) would like to make available. Enphase however, seems to have taken (yet) another route in their latest firmware and app, with the dynamic tariff support.

The actions that are currently available in HA are based on the older firmwares that allowed setting Battery storage mode to savings, self-consumption or backup modes, enable or disable charge from grid for the schedules and set the reserve State of Charge. These are all set by updating the tariff page in the Envoy, particularly the first part of tariff.

        "tariff": {
          "currency": {
            "code": "EUR"
          },
          "logger": "mylogger",
          "date": "1688606043",
          "storage_settings": {
            "mode": "self-consumption",
            "operation_mode_sub_type": "",
            "reserved_soc": 0.0,
            "very_low_soc": 5,
            "charge_from_grid": false,
            "date": "1688606043",
            "opt_schedules": false
          },
          "single_rate": {
            "rate": 0.0,
            "sell": 0.0
          },
          "seasons": [],
          "seasons_sell": []

With the support of dynamic tariff in EU and California with firmware >= 8.2.42xx in the Envoy, the old method does not seem to work anymore. When @NCO3 mentioned the missing “charge from grid” option for EU batteries we added it, but as the firmware behaves differently now, it doesn’t seem to help.

So for new firmwares we are looking for cases where tariffs are configured in the App and battery mode is not set to the dynamic tariff mode/AI optimization. We are curious what the whole tariff section in the diagnostics looks like to confirm if the old method still can work and if so how we can use it to drive settings from HA. That the reason for my earlier question, as you seem to have configured tariffs, @phillll.

NCO3 · November 30, 2024, 7:23am

I don’t have the “Battery” section here in Germany (yet) and hope that this option will be rolled out soon. Controlling it from HA would be the next step then.

The dynamic tariff is needed for the AI option to work AFAIK

In my case I have activated the dynamic tariff (Power supplier: Tibber), but did not activate the AI optimization stuff yet.
I will for testing though.

If I can test something, please let me know.
As I said earlier though: I don’t have a setting to charge the battery from grid (like in the UK and NL).

EDIT:
AI does not work in my case:

catsmanac · December 2, 2024, 8:55am

Thanks for that info and AI try @NCO3.

NCO3 · December 2, 2024, 12:00pm

Of course!
I need to thank YOU for your great support and effort you put into this integration!

phillll · December 3, 2024, 9:45pm

These settings are enabled all the time. Sometimes if I’m working late, I’ll manually trigger. Here’s what the log shows:

      "/admin/lib/tariff": {
        "tariff": {
          "currency": {
            "code": "GBP"
          },
          "logger": "mylogger",
          "date": "1728412974",
          "storage_settings": {
            "mode": "self-consumption",
            "operation_mode_sub_type": "",
            "reserved_soc": 50.0,
            "very_low_soc": 5,
            "charge_from_grid": true,
            "date": "1726840889",
            "opt_schedules": true
          },
          "single_rate": {
            "rate": 0.07000000029802322,
            "sell": 0.15000000596046448
          },
          "seasons": [
            {
              "id": "all_year_long",
              "start": "1/1",
              "days": [
                {
                  "id": "all_days",
                  "days": "Mon,Tue,Wed,Thu,Fri,Sat,Sun",
                  "must_charge_start": 180,
                  "must_charge_duration": 145,
                  "must_charge_mode": "CG",
                  "peak_rule": "DL",
                  "enable_discharge_to_grid": false,
                  "periods": [
                    {
                      "id": "filler",
                      "start": 0,
                      "rate": 0.07000000029802322
                    },
                    {
                      "id": "period_1",
                      "start": 330,
                      "rate": 0.2558000087738037
                    },
                    {
                      "id": "filler",
                      "start": 1411,
                      "rate": 0.07000000029802322
                    }
                  ]
                }
              ],
              "tiers": []
            }
          ],
          "seasons_sell": []
        },
        "schedule": {
          "filename": "",
          "source": "",
          "date": "2024-12-03 21:36:38 UTC",
          "version": "",
          "reserved_soc": 30.0,
          "very_low_soc": 10,
          "charge_from_grid": false,
          "batt_mode": "self-consumption",
          "battery_mode": "self-consumption",
          "operation_mode_sub_type": "",
          "opt_schedules": false,
          "override": false,
          "override_backup_soc": 30.0,
          "override_chg_dischg_rate": 0.0,
          "override_tou_mode": "StorageTouMode_DEFAULT_TOU_MODE",
          "schedule": {
            "Disable": [
              {
                "Sun": [
                  {
                    "start": 0,
                    "duration": 1440,
                    "setting": "ID"
                  }
                ]
              },
              {
                "Mon": [
                  {
                    "start": 0,
                    "duration": 1440,
                    "setting": "ID"
                  }
                ]
              },
              {
                "Tue": [
                  {
                    "start": 0,
                    "duration": 1440,
                    "setting": "ID"
                  }
                ]
              },
              {
                "Wed": [
                  {
                    "start": 0,
                    "duration": 1440,
                    "setting": "ID"
                  }
                ]
              },
              {
                "Thu": [
                  {
                    "start": 0,
                    "duration": 1440,
                    "setting": "ID"
                  }
                ]
              },
              {
                "Fri": [
                  {
                    "start": 0,
                    "duration": 1440,
                    "setting": "ID"
                  }
                ]
              },
              {
                "Sat": [
                  {
                    "start": 0,
                    "duration": 1440,
                    "setting": "ID"
                  }
                ]
              }
            ]
          }
        }
      }
    },
    "envoy_model_data": {

Let me know if you need me to change something and re-supply this.

NCO3 · December 4, 2024, 2:37pm

Today I was able to activate the AI profile.
I hope that the battery will be charged then I will check tomorrow evening at 11pm because the price will be very low.

EDIT:
It is not reflected in the HA enphase UI though.