Hi
which of the myriad of wifi motion sensors that appear of ebay and other sites work out of the box with HA. I cant use 433MHz devices, too much local RF about.
I dont want anything that requires an additional hub, Would be nice if not too expensive.
Re-flashing is OK
Thanks
Why exclude 433MHz devices when Zwave, zigbee, WiFi, BlueTooth, etc also communicate via RF? (I suspect you’re well aware of this fact.)
Are there simply too many 433 MHz devices in your neighbourhood and you want to use a less-busy frequency?
The local RF is what I generate, 300W to an antenna with 20dB of gain (x100)
30Kw erp, and 433MHz devices dont like it, my own weather station given some strange readings.
2.4 GHz survives much better, I only have 150W to to 18dB gain antenna (x60),at 2.32 GHz. Wifi just tends to change channels as far away as possible from me.’
If I was to use 433 MHz linked motion sensors to enable lighting, the lights would be flashing on speech peaks, not a good idea.
Why does your house sound like the inside of a microwave oven? 
In a few years times microwave ovens will be very useful, when the galium Nitride devices
drop in price and become more powerful.
Magnetrons aren’t a lot of good for much else apart from radar and microwave ovens
If you don’t want to use any kind of hub or dongle then you’re limited to whatever RF protocols your host computer’s hardware supports so WiFI and maybe BlueTooth.
I could always get a zigbee of zwave usb dongle, I already have a bluetooth one
I’m trying to order a Conbee 2 USB dongle which should open up the list of available devices.
Its sitting in the cart, but the UK has been dropped off their shipping list of countries : Strange !
Well it’s not that strange is it… 
It’s listed, but depending on your browser it might be in German
I’ve gone through the list several times
the Isle of Man is listed but I cant see either United Kingdom or Great Britain
and I’m aware of the German for each
OK my fault they listed as
Vereinigtes Königreich