Hi, I am looking for a window opener that works for windows that open inside of the room. Ideally, it will integrate with Zigbee HA or can open on a schedule.
I have found quite little on this matter, anyone with ideas or good experience?
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The main types are these ones that are for those hinge based windows
There is this one but I am unsure if it has a zigbee option (someone may need to invest in trying to use a esp32 module to mode support in) or if it will work with vertical sliding windows
I’m always interested in these kinds of devices. But at hundreds of dollars per window, any energy savings would be very hard to justify.
Thank you @TH3xR34P3R
These open windows to the outside. I am looking for one opening on the inside. See the right image
Did you ever find a solution?
UPDATE: Here is info on a working (internal) ZigBee window opener.
Was:
The OP wants opener which opens to the inside, however since her/his thread title is more general, I’m chiming in regarding window to open to the inside.
There is this a zigbee opener, but it won’t work with HA. Zemismart Tuya Zigbee Motorized Window Opener Electric Chain Tuya Smart Life APP Alexa Google Home Control 110v 240v Zemismart Tuya Zigbee Motorized W I finally received one. It pairs, but doesn’t show any way to control it. See: Zemismart Integration TS0601 TZE284 - #3 by Alpal
(When I looked for a Zigbee opener at Amazon, I didn’t find anything that would work with Home Assistant. Amazon with their Alexa controller, has a conflict of interest with Home Assistant?)
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As long as it is a hinged style window, just hinged on one side, it doesn’t matter if it opens inwards or outwards with the electric winders. With manual winders it would matter because the handle would be on the wrong side, but with these electric ones, you just get the one for the hinged window and install it the other way so the chain faces towards the inside, then it will still push the window open and pull it closed exactly the same as any other hinged window. You don’t need any special one to do it. You just need one that works with HA.
The window winder doesn’t care which way it faces. It will extend the chain, or pull the chain in. That’s all it does and it doesn’t care which way the chain faces
@HomeSweetHome
If it doesn’t show controls, it likely needs the device driver added to ZHA or Z2M (Depending what you use) Zigbee will pair, but if the Zigbee Hub (Your ZHA / Z2M or whatever you use) doesn’t know what functions the device has, it will just sit as a device with no functions
Has anyone found an opener that can still allows manually opening windows?
I bought one of these in AC (DC works as well but then you have to use the supplied switch and I’m not sure if it works well with home assitant - plus you could not replace it as easily)
It works much faster than the chain - about 15 seconds for 90° opening of window and it’s plenty strong. They cost around 70€ including shipment for the motor only. Add 7-8€ for a zigbee switch that works (or 20 for a shelly that definitely works including calibtration) - or 2-10€ for a button for local opening and your set.
However once installed you cannot manually open your window anymore as the motor has no override to open up with external pressure.
Then there is this model by a lot of sellers for around 200€ shipped from EU
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005008512934756.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.40.4df23806JPRApU&algo_pvid=85a55e4d-92ab-4386-8a09-28246ec18dc6&algo_exp_id=85a55e4d-92ab-4386-8a09-28246ec18dc6-39&pdp_ext_f={"order"%3A"3"%2C"eval"%3A"1"}&pdp_npi=4%40dis!EUR!300.34!207.23!!!2443.81!1686.23!%40211b819117508694917636443e5854!12000045498249406!sea!AT!2512044402!X&curPageLogUid=w6FWcK0es9nJ&utparam-url=scene%3Asearch|query_from%3A#nav-specification
Now I think this still allows manual opening - but it only holds the door open for a certain amount of time. I need held open for hours and yeah no electricty draw while doing so…
I would love something for my balcony door - but each time waiting 15 seconds to open or close is too annoying. Reason I want it is so that at night I can automatically open and close once outdoors is colder to cool down my apartment.
From the videos I would say chain is the worst/slowest option - or does chain still allow manual opening? Is there a super quick way to de-attach the chain?
Actually I swing the best solution would be an electric pulley for a steel string - It should attach to outside the window with a roller a bit outside for leverage - and then a spring loaded pulley on the other side to suck in the string.
Coupled with a ratched drive that opens at a high enough pressure it would allow for manual opening as well as slow electric opening/closing.
I don’t care much about speed if i can still open/close manually. But the slow speeds if no manual operation is possible really makes it hard to use for say a balcony door.
I’m thinking for window maybe on the 70€ rail/rotator devices maybe it’s possible to cut away a bit of the rail to make it possible to open manually after angling a window outwards therby getting the roatator to leave the rail - but not sure how often a window tolerates this angle then open up approach.
Or add a manual slider to the rail that you can open by hand - maybe spring loaded which opens up the rail. That would work at least from inside (but yeah not from outside for a door).
A Czech company (based in the EU) manufactures the Smarwi product – a Wi-Fi IoT device for controlling windows via mobile phone over the internet, priced at approximately $190 USD (3990 CZK)
Website: https://vektiva.com/index.php/shop/smarwi
I now got a new door opener on Aliexpress - it works great - Deper DSW-100N,
but I don’t know yet how to make it smart. It has loads of terminals that seem to expect 12V input - so I opened up a new topic here:
It really works well. You can still open by hand and it’s plenty fast. Also unlike those window openers it doesn’t crush anything as it can never apply more force vs the manual operation.
Can work in push mode and it pull mode and is sold for commercial doors like hospitals and so on. So it really looks solid and shoud work for ages. Deper is the biggest manufacturer of automatic doors in China…
Cheapest price shipped from Europe I have seen should be 155€ (not sure if Aliexpress vouchers work on it) - or 143€ (minus vouchers that do work) with less accessories from China and only Push or Pull not a full kit with everything
Edit: I found out how to controll it. Needs a dry switch relay and then on J5 - shorten COM and Hold-Open - as long as that is held down it’s open.
Oh about the window opening device above - Well that looks really dodgy and wouldn’t even work for swing type windows. I would not use any chain type window opener - the swing ones work much better.
And yeah if you wanna keep manual open without button or high speed, go for the Deper DSW-100N (or better from whichever brand you find it cheapest). No need for any accessories - I don’t get how you could connect several at the same time anyhow. Because I only find one opening position (plus maybe I fried the second one - or the second one only works on power interruption with battery/24v connection fitted)
Actually for manual - it’s enough to lightly touch and then it will swing open. Yeah with the hold open shorted you cannot sensibly close - so add a zigbee button on the door to close it permanently without needing to open home assistant. For just entering/exiting it works fine by using manual.
Also there is no button or possibility to change default open to default closed (well you can use the jumper to change open and closed position I think). So you would need to use a smart button to change default open/closed within home assistant.
I would like a manual instead of automation jumper/ connection. So that you could change it from manual open and then reclose to - I open manually to any position and you hold it there mode.
So in effect - I would not use the door opener for windows. It makes more sense to stick to window openers even though you forego manual mode for right now. The door opener is really more made to work as entrance door kind of motor.
Oh and if it loses power it forgets the distance and first time will open/close very slowly after power loss. Then it’s back to fast speed and slow down only at the end (distance adjustable by the screw)
Hi, This looks cool. we have two windows where I could automate whit this. Do you have experience if this works with HA?
Another option not made in Asia would be something like this: Compatibility & Installation – Tarken: Your Air Quality Monitor & Window Actuator.
I’m helping the company behind that make the device Matter compatible right now and that will make it work with HA as well. Actually HA seems to be the only system able to actually use all the features of this device at the moment. This will only tilt the window and not swing it fully open though. But what it does better than the others linked here is it actually turns the handle as well so it is much more secure as it locks the window in the closed position.
It may be worth sharing this device I found earlier, I have not checked it our in real life yet