WTH Being able to go back and edit all helpers

This has caught me out many times. I have created a helper (say a utility meter) and then I come back a while later and wonder what it that based on. When you go into the options you only see a small number of things compared to when it was setup.

This is the same with history stats. You can create a helper for a particular state but once created all you get to see if the start, end and duration. You have no idea what state this is actually reporting on

This is the same for a lot of helpers that once setup you can never get back to see how they were created.

I suspect a lot of it is that changing those values would invalidate the history but it would be helpful to at least see values as read only.

Had this problem with history stats last night

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I think this is broader: WTH is the UI/UX for helpers that need configuration so bad?

For example, even if we can’t edit something It would be nice to be able to see how that helper was configured.

While I haven’t tried it in a few releases, it is (or was) possible to create broken entities with History Stats. They can’t be edited or deleted!

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Hi @jameson_uk,

Using your utility meter as an example, are you saying you nerver get to see or edit the input sensor after creating one?
AFAIK each helper allows editing all attributes, though some attributes are unfortunately hidden behind an “options” button. For Utility Meters, the normal screen shows Name, Icon, Unit of Measurement, Display precision, Entity ID, Add label, and Utility Meter options. It is the last one that gives the missing attributes in yet another modal window.

Sorry if you knew this.

Hi @rct ,

I second the issue with “broken” entities. I see no way to edit, nor delete them either.

Interestingly though, I have noticed that some new helpers that need time to produce a result (depending on helper config), are “unavailable” while initialising. The only solution I see is to wait - it becomes “available” and therefore editable shortly afterwards :smirk:

@zulu9 I didn’t say input sensor. The options for a utility meter are:

whilst setting up get

So after you have set it up there is no way to tell what was set for things like Delta values or reset cycle. This makes it impossible to recreate unless you remember what you set. (Yes you can see some attributes if you start digging in developer tools but that don’t directly tie back to the options and some just aren’t there either.

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Note there is an overlapping WTH discussion: WTH Add "Edit in YAML" to Helpers editor

While the subject is different, the discussion about not being able to edit or see some of the underlying config is the same topic.

Thanks @jameson_uk.
I got your point now, and your WTH gets my vote.