I’ve been looking at the Yale Assure Lock 2.
I like this lock because it has Z-Wave, but I also noticed a model with a fingerprint sensor.
Has anyone used the fingerprint sensor with Z-Wave? Does it work via Home Assistant and Z-Wave JS or is it something that requires the Yale app? How would you even use the Yale app when you’re connecting Z-Wave to Home Assistant?
I’d prefer this device to be 100% Home Assistant with no Yale app, so that’s why I’m asking.
According to the manual You must have Bluetooth connection with the lock to create or manage fingerprints. https://products.z-wavealliance.org/ProductManual/File?folder=&filename=cert_portal/certs/876/YRD430_ZW3_MNL.pdf. Once you connect the lock to Home Assistant via Z-Wave you can then manage your pin codes in home assistant.
The Yale app uses Bluetooth and home assistant uses Z-Wave so you can control the lock using both methods at the same time.
Unlocking the door via fingerprints is handled by the lock itself. The only thing the lock does via Z-Wave is report updates to the controller about which user unlocked the door and which method they used to unlock or lock the door. You can send Z-Wave commands to lock and unlock that way as well.
Do I need the Yale app or can Home Assistant work with a Bluetooth proxy directly to the device?
I’m assuming the programming of fingerprints is specific to their app.
I’m asking because this is one of those things that if anything happens to Yale, or they start charging for a subscription, I can no longer maintain fingerprints. My goal is to put that processing into Home Assistant, so I don’t have to use their app to maintain those devices.
Wondering if you found out definitively on this. I was also looking at this lock so I reached out to Yale and got this response (which is just vague enough to have me here searching the forum):
"Thank you for reaching out to Yale Support
In order to add fingerprints to the lock It would have to be through the Yale Access app, however, if you already have Z-wave or Home Assistant. We recommend getting in contact with them to confirm that you are able to add the fingerprints through there platform and not have to use the yale access app.
If you have any further questions, please let us know.
Have a nice day!"
I find this response very curious. I specifically stated in my question that I wanted to avoid returning a product if it required them having access to any personal information (phone number, wi-fi credentials, etc) but they gave a pretty non-answer answer. Did you pull the trigger on this? I also want Z-wave and fingerprint reader with no cloud, but the HA choices are few and far between. I actually ordered and received an ULTRALOQ Z-wave with fingerprint ID but returned it unopened when I saw complaints that you cannot pair this product with your Z-wave hub without installing the app and creating an account (which includes a verifiable phone number). There were also lots of complaints about reliability which I didn’t catch before my order.
I got the Yale Assure Lock 2 Z-Wave, I tried Bluetooth in Home Assistant. It connects, but none of the controls work.
I ended up just using their app for now to set up fingerprints (which are stored on the device only), and use Z-Wave for the rest.
So maybe you ment this but i just got this lock, i was able to set up the finger prints, go back in the lock settings-module settings change it back to external source and it did save the fingerprints still. when someone uses the finger prints however it wont tell you who unlocked it because it doesnt know. sooo the only advantage of doing it this way is so you can change codes remotely and still use finger prints but to see when a person comes home not so much.
Yeah. That’s great it worked for you! Maybe it was updated in a later version 
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One thing that’s problematic is the lack of seeing the door sensor in Home Assistant, so I can’t automate the control of the lock. The way it works in their software, it will set a timer, and then force the lock to close even if the door’s not 100% closed or if it’s in the open state. Super annoying!
Looks like there are sensors for what should be the door, but they never change:
Might be a Z-Wave bug or something to do with Z-Wave JS.
I have the Assure Lock 2 Touch with ZW3 module. It sends no events to HA when unlocked with a fingerprint but does when unlocking with a code. Any setting I am missing to get the fingerprint unlock event?
You need to go to the device info and enable the alarmType and alarmLevel entities. These to entities will change their number based on certain events that happen. You can view what these events mean by visiting page 20 of this document. You should see 145 for the alarmType and 1 for the alarmLevel 1 when you unlock using fingerprint.
Thanks for sharing that. Unfortunately, the Alarm Type value changes for every unlock event EXCEPT the fingerprint. Do you know of any way to contact ASSA ABLOY about this? Yale support has not been very helpful.
I do not. You can maybe ask the devs on the GitHub page and they probably could get in contact with someone from assa abloy. Outside of this I would try reinterviewing the device or factory resetting it and see if that fixes it.
The Zwave-js GitHub page?
Go to GitHub · Where software is built. Then click new issue. You can also search for one issues maybe someone else is having the same problem. I was able to get the event to work on mine.
Do you have the ZW3 module or is Z-Wave built into your lock?
I had the zw3 module.
